Single-family house (2 floors + residential basement + developed attic) approximately 200 sqm - changes

2019-11-18 23:44:27

So at 45° and 10m width, I come to 5m height in the roof?! W

Yes, of course ... it's already late

What do you mean by corridor/corridor? I want to emphasize again that here mixed IDEAS from me about the design and the design itself are included and possibly also discussed. With the architect, I don’t think there is corridor corridor. The rest are just ideas.

I can no longer follow you there.

Of course, it must not be that we build the house around the stairs and then they are not properly passable!

I’ll put it this way: at the moment it looks as if you have gotten stuck and now a staircase is being forced in there at all costs.

Regarding the photovoltaic system: you can’t milk more than 100% either.
How many more cents does one degree bring you?
In summer the yield will be 100%. If the sun doesn’t shine, 0. I know that from my neighbor.

In winter, when it shines: how much more profit does an expensive high sacral roof make compared to a pleasant and cheaper roof shape?

2019-11-18 23:52:11

So if you mention the costs: a pitched roof with 50 degrees does not cost more than one with 45 degrees (structurally simpler vs more material) and also not much more than a 20-degree hip roof. But it offers the possibility to use this as living space. That’s my understanding, as communicated by various house providers so far. Many don’t like it aesthetically but it remains the optimum price-wise. And I really think you underestimate the difference in yield in winter. People who want to live off-grid sometimes install the panels on the walls because that is better than on a 20-degree roof. 60 degrees is considered optimal to my knowledge. Yes, it only matters in winter. In summer it doesn’t matter. And if it’s cloudy, it doesn’t matter either. But even in winter, the sun isn’t always behind clouds. And then they do provide enough for a frugal operation.

2019-11-19 08:55:43

I had a room like that in the attic of a house where I used to live, open at the top. The house was 8m wide, and the roof pitch was probably at least 45°, more likely 50° (the year of construction was 1938 or so). However, the roof already started on the floor below, so you have to subtract about 2m from the width. In short, on a 6m width, we had about 3m height (I remember I papered it alone back then). We boxed in the sides at 1m. I can say that the room felt quite pleasant. Unfortunately, there was hardly any space for taller furniture (wardrobe, etc.). The important thing, I believe, is that it is symmetrical. That would only apply to one room in your case, right?

2019-11-19 08:59:50

Yes. The plan was both symmetrical. But we still need the bathroom upstairs. Possibly that [in extension of the hallway] after all. Space for cabinets should not be a problem. At 1m or even 1.5m, there will surely be some digging out but with storage options for toys. The 4.85m height will still have a sacred effect. But as I said: I think it’s also very much a matter of furnishing.

2019-11-19 09:18:08

At the moment it looks like you have gotten yourself stuck and now a staircase is being forced in at all costs.

The joke is that the OP is trying to minimize the hallway at all costs because he thinks it is worthless. But actually he now realizes that he neither has enough space for his wardrobe nor enough room to change clothes when the family leaves or arrives at the house.

So once again: yes, a hallway is valuable and the foyer especially, because it is the most used room in the house. The extra 30cm in the living room is of little use to you, since it hardly matters for the sofa whether you have 4.20m or 4.50m available. In the foyer, however, half a meter more or less is crucial so you can place a cabinet and don’t feel claustrophobic when five people enter the house.

If in the end it’s about 30cm more depth for the living room, then just add it. Then the house is simply 9 x 9.30m. It’s not about winning a competition about how to forcibly squeeze the rooms into 9x9.

The fear of losing 30cm or even 2m of garden should be weighed against the fact that such a house (usually) ties up the family’s entire capital for a lifetime. So if you build junk that is hard to live in and difficult to sell, then the money is gone and you have this house to deal with – forever. I’m not saying that this is entirely the case here. The priorities are just disproportionate.

2019-11-19 09:50:59

The joke is that the OP is trying by hook or by crook to minimize the hallway because he thinks it is worthless. But now he realizes that he doesn't have enough space for his wardrobe or enough space to change clothes when the family leaves or arrives at the house.

So again: yes, a hallway is valuable and the foyer especially so, because it is one of the most frequently used rooms in the house. The extra 30cm in the living room are of little use to you, since it hardly matters for the sofa whether you have 4.20m or 4.50m available. In the foyer, however, half a meter more or less is crucial to be able to place a wardrobe and to avoid feeling cramped when five people enter the house.

If in the end you want 30cm more depth for the living room, then just add them. Then the house is simply 9 x 9.30m. It's not about winning a competition on how to forcibly squeeze the rooms into 9 x 9.

You should compare the fear of losing 30cm or even 2m of garden with the fact that such a house (usually) ties up the entire capital of the family for a whole lifetime. So if you build junk that is poorly livable and hard to sell, the money is gone and you will have this house hanging over you - forever. I'm not saying that this is entirely the case here. The priorities are just disproportionate.

But you yourself acknowledge that these priorities shift and that I am willing to do that too. But that requires arguments, of which you have brought plenty, that we give much more priority and space to the staircase and hallways. The fact is, the floor area is small. Of course, we initially approach it so that the living spaces are as large as possible and the rest is thought of as sparingly as possible? But naturally, that has its limits. I am here to explore those and I hope for your input. Quite specifically: in the architect's design, there really are large hallways? We tried to reduce them, instead making things more open. Currently, I think that the first upper floor and the basement are okay? There has been no criticism of that so far? The entrance area and of course the attic seem to be the sticking points? The staircase has a running length in the middle of about 455. That must be enough?

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