Newly built single-family house - gas or air heat pump + photovoltaics + storage?

  • Erstellt am 2021-04-25 14:18:30

Deliverer

2021-09-05 19:18:43
  • #1
No, wait. I'll address that directly.

Except flying, yes. With a heat pump.

Reluctantly. Keyword "ideology."

What exactly do you want to say? You'd rather save (which is hard) 10 euros a month, while everyone else has to suffer? Sounds harsh – maybe provocative. But in the end, that's exactly what it is.

Climate IS NOT an ideology. That is consensus. Which brings us back to the beginning of my "provocative" statements.
 

Deliverer

2021-09-05 19:20:34
  • #2
Because it really can't be done any other way anymore. They tried. ;-)
 

Tarnari

2021-09-05 19:39:48
  • #3

Honestly, I don’t believe that.
Why? Because only people who already have enough money benefit from the subsidies.
Do you think a family that has to live on €4000 gross is interested in heat pumps?
Let alone an individual who, with luck, earns €2000 net?
They probably don’t even know what that is. And if they do, they probably don’t care, because unlike us in this forum, they simply have to figure out how to make ends meet.
I wrote it in another thread:
1st World Problems.

I agree with you when you say something needs to change. Also in people’s minds.
At the moment, however, only the privileged can do that.
 

Deliverer

2021-09-05 19:52:44
  • #4
We are here in the "hausbau-forum". It is about new buildings. I never said that the unemployed person is an idiot if they heat their rental apartment with gas.

Regarding the other points: With electric cars, it was also those who could afford very expensive cars at the beginning. And now electric cars are the cheaper alternative for many when you do a full cost calculation. And soon, only the well-off will be able to afford classic cars.
Another example: photovoltaic systems. 20 years ago, you needed a lot of money, a subsidy, and patience (until the money was back). That’s how the technology was developed to the point where it is now practically unbeatable in terms of cost. That was good too, wasn’t it?
 

rick2018

2021-09-05 20:31:20
  • #5
then you are not consistently implementing your ideology ;) For many homeowners, 5-15k€ for a photovoltaic system is still too expensive. It may have become "cheap," but for that money, they can draw electricity for a long time. If money is available, it is of course easier to engage in greenwashing when building a single-family home. It still doesn’t become "green" because of that. Subsidies are mostly not good. And just because they exist doesn’t mean it is the only right way. Take a look through history at everything that has been/is subsidized. Oh, fuel cell heating systems are also subsidized. But according to your view, that is the wrong way.
 

Tarnari

2021-09-05 20:34:34
  • #6
Ok… to really completely dismantle this….

€4,000 gross for a family and €2,000 single equals unemployed? Strong statement.

Electric cars cheaper alternative if a family-friendly car costs around €40,000?
By the way, there is a reason why all major companies equip their higher earners with electric cars. And it has nothing to do with [U-Schutz].

Photovoltaic system cheap? Can a normally earning person afford a photovoltaic system at an assumed €1,200 per kWp?
Probably not.

I stand by it, everything you say is correct. But only doable for the top percentages of the population.
Sincerely meant [U-Schutz] looks different.

Those who can afford it even get money back.
That is a farce.
 

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