Newly built single-family house - gas or air heat pump + photovoltaics + storage?

  • Erstellt am 2021-04-25 14:18:30

Deliverer

2021-10-17 11:59:21
  • #1
Can you wait with your decision until after the winter? I mean this winter, which has just begun, but the gas storage facilities are already empty and some suppliers no longer accept new customers...
 

Mycraft

2021-10-17 12:49:44
  • #2
I don't necessarily see it as bad advice. The general contractor builds his houses like that, so why not? It is mature and very economical technology. Without gimmicks and without exorbitant extra consumption, only if a sensor malfunctions or the flow temperature is set 1-2°C higher than necessary.

Among the negatives, only the fossil fuel is truly negative. Price fluctuations for electricity are significantly greater than for gas. With solar thermal, you have endless hot water from March to October and if you want, you can cover the rest of the roof with photovoltaics. The biggest advantage of a gas boiler is that it is economically viable compared to a heat pump of any kind without subsidies. With heat pumps (unless you do it yourself), it is not economically viable at all. The technology is great, no question, but it is simply sold to the end customer at too high a price.

And the horror stories about price increases and the evil gas are, as of today, not worth mentioning. Sure, we are getting the Greens into parliament now. Let's see what that brings. But as of today, the price increase for gas for a modern single-family house (no, not one from the last century) is only marginal. It looks much worse with the beloved car.
 

Deliverer

2021-10-17 13:06:18
  • #3

That is wrong. Why do you claim such a thing?
 

Mycraft

2021-10-17 14:27:15
  • #4
Sorry my mistake.

The fluctuations in electricity prices are of course only marginal. Because it only knows one direction: upwards... and simply doubles on average every 20 years. This will not get any better in the future either, as demand will increase significantly due to current policies. It is, of course, different with gas. The gas price is relatively stable and is actually still too cheap. All figures on raw material prices are also freely available and verifiable from various sources.

kWh electricity 2000 = ~14c
kWh gas 2000 = ~4c

kWh electricity 2021 = ~32c
kWh gas 2021 = ~6.35c

I do not only see this in the abstract prices but in the direct comparison of several properties. Electricity bills have increased much more in recent years than gas bills with the same consumption, because nothing changes in the properties. They are used in the same way and have the same consumption values. Only the bills are higher. Despite regular switches, bonuses, etc.

Sure, ideally the heat pump produces 4kWh of heat from one kWh of electricity, which is great. But... but... but...
 

Deliverer

2021-10-17 14:38:40
  • #5
... but I'd rather save 100 euros and destroy the habitat for all future generations? Yeah...
 

Mycraft

2021-10-17 15:43:12
  • #6
Uhm no… please take off the [Aluhut] and stay factual.
 

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