Land in sight, is house construction financially possible?

That's quite cheeky! When you insult other people's tastes...

... judge quality based on design...
want to assess quality through photos...

... and then confuse Bosch appliances with Beko…! :confused:

The series "modern country kitchens" come in affordable and high-quality versions, just as apparently modern kitchens range from cheap to expensive with corresponding quality differences.

As you say... still looks cheap‍♂️

As you wish... still looks cheap‍♂

Your comments are cheap. Insolence

It is dangerous to base quality primarily on price. A Skoda is significantly cheaper than a VW and has, almost, the same technology. Gearbox, engines, navigation, all 1 to 1 VW. The difference is that at VW, the majority of development costs and the absurdly high salaries of the workforce are cost drivers that Skoda does not have.

It’s similar in kitchen manufacturing. Pino produces in Saxony-Anhalt, Schüller in Franconia near Nuremberg. Investment costs for the factory and wages alone already cause a 20, 30% difference in the final product. But a kitchen does not necessarily become higher quality just because the land the factory stands on cost five times what it did in Saxony-Anhalt.

One reason why Tesla, Intel, TSMC, etc. no longer invest in Bavaria but in the East is that investment costs are simply much lower. The same area, not in the Börde, but in Garching probably costs ten times as much.

It is dangerous to primarily judge quality by price. A Skoda is significantly cheaper than a VW and has almost the same technology. Gearbox, engines, navigation, all 1 to 1 VW. The only difference is that VW’s majority of development costs and the absurdly high salaries of the workforce are cost drivers that Skoda doesn’t have.

It’s similar with kitchen manufacturing. Pino produces in Saxony-Anhalt, Schüller in Franconia near Nuremberg. Here, the investment costs for the factory and the wages alone cause a 20-30% difference in the final product. But a kitchen doesn’t necessarily become higher quality just because the building site where the factory stands cost five times as much as what had to be paid in Saxony-Anhalt.

One reason why Tesla, Intel, TSMC, etc. no longer invest in Bavaria but in the East is simply because the investment costs are much lower. The same area in the Börde compared to Garching probably costs ten times as much.

Difference yes, but never 20-30% of the final product. Most of the manufacturing is automated, and the machine costs the same regardless of whether it is transported to Saxony or to Bavaria. The material does too. I recently watched the manufacturing video of Nobilia. I estimate that the cost advantage from Saxony <-> Bavaria is at most 5% on the final product at the quantities the kitchen manufacturers churn out.

I think more lies in the way I produce (how many production steps, variance, etc.), economy of scale (so pushing down purchasing prices), as well as overhead (administration, product management, sales — that’s the cost driver for VW vs. SKODA as you called it — significantly more overhead at even higher costs).

10,000€ + 5,000€ appliances, as you said, is really cheap, I’d be interested to see what the kitchen looks like. We’ve decided on Häcker and ended up at 30k (were in 4 studios, couldn’t get much lower on price), but including gimmicks like “Quooker” which I’d say you don’t necessarily need. Please feel free to post a picture, I’m seriously interested in how big the difference is.

Best regards

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As you say... still looks cheap ‍♂

You are simple-minded. The OP doesn't have to infer anything from that.