Mach_es_selbst
2022-12-04 20:49:17
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Then I'll also chime in with my (subjective) experiences
Did you make the doors out of papier-mâché?
The (6) doors are mid-priced and of good quality from the hardware store. Even the acquaintance who installed them said they were good!
We were luckily not burdened with double rent since we could live at my parents' place during the construction period
Yes, it requires a lot of knowledge and skills to build a house on your own. But if you have someone to show you how it’s done, you can learn it all, even if you’ve never done many of the tasks before!! At least that was the case with me!
Of course, you need some prior experience in crafts. For example, working with a cordless screwdriver, sawing, tools,...
And you have to trust yourself!
We did almost the entire shell construction ourselves in EL and that is also the part where you can save the most. And the thermal insulation is also in place/adequately done. What we notice especially now in winter, despite slight subzero temperatures, it stays warm in the house even when you don’t heat much!
With the individual trades afterwards, usually you can’t do much yourself anymore. For example, sanitary / heating etc.
“Some only have the first row of masonry done at the shell construction and then stick the rest themselves. No expert knowledge needed.”
That’s exactly how we did it. Shown what to pay attention to, then we built the whole house ourselves with 1-2 helpers from the family masonry ourselves.
And that’s how we did it with the other tasks as well. Trained => did it ourselves!!
That really helps you grow tremendously!
And you learn a lot for life!!! I don’t want to miss that now!
Thanks for your comments that you find it good that DIY projects are described here too... You don’t always have to make everything done!! But of course you need a lot of time and nerves / patience. Which not everyone naturally has available.
I wouldn’t describe myself as “abnormal,” more like not always conforming to the “norm.” Just because I invested a lot of time INSTEAD OF MONEY (like most) into our house, that’s not negative but rather positive!! As many have told me.
Fuel expenses were around 1000€. And yes, they are also included in the cost statement.
The 300€ for tools fits. Since I could borrow a lot from my father / brother-in-law during the construction time.
I didn’t explicitly record my/our working hours for the EL. Only the hours of everyone involved in the construction, including the companies. Because I wanted to know how much time such a house needs to “grow.” And that number became very large and is still growing (I wouldn’t have thought that beforehand).
You say: “The house itself therefore (also because of DIY) had no high value and was sold very cheaply.”
I wouldn’t generalize that because I have heard/read so many reports where especially paid craftsmen / companies did a lot of botching, since it’s not THEIR house but just their job which they (not always satisfactorily) perform. Unfortunately, I had to experience that in smaller cases with us, too. Whoever does it themselves wants it well to perfectly done even if it takes longer.
We have always lived frugally and modestly in life and thus could save something for the house. Even though we always earned little and unfortunately I was even unemployed for a while. But that’s beside the point.
Satisfaction always also has to do with modesty. Sure, bigger, more beautiful, more pompous is always possible (in house planning/construction). But DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE THAT WAY??!!
I didn’t get an extra construction vehicle (like many self-builders do). If you take reasonable care of your car, you can use it for that (even a “small” Golf. I installed a trailer hitch myself before the construction. Just the about 100€ cost of the hitch). And without a trailer, nothing works!! (I could borrow that from my father)
Also, all “small stuff invoices”/every € was carefully recorded every time.
All costs were noted. Even the fuel! (No accusations please!!)
I would recommend this to keep an overview of the finances!
“These mono stones are way too expensive (except maybe aerated concrete)”
We used 36.5cm Ytong aerated concrete and that was the right decision! Easy to lay by yourself (even if you haven’t done it before), good insulation effect (you can do without the glued-on polystyrene), very good indoor climate (compared to other systems),...
So, now you have lots to discuss again. I’m curious
Did you make the doors out of papier-mâché?
The (6) doors are mid-priced and of good quality from the hardware store. Even the acquaintance who installed them said they were good!
We were luckily not burdened with double rent since we could live at my parents' place during the construction period
Yes, it requires a lot of knowledge and skills to build a house on your own. But if you have someone to show you how it’s done, you can learn it all, even if you’ve never done many of the tasks before!! At least that was the case with me!
Of course, you need some prior experience in crafts. For example, working with a cordless screwdriver, sawing, tools,...
And you have to trust yourself!
We did almost the entire shell construction ourselves in EL and that is also the part where you can save the most. And the thermal insulation is also in place/adequately done. What we notice especially now in winter, despite slight subzero temperatures, it stays warm in the house even when you don’t heat much!
With the individual trades afterwards, usually you can’t do much yourself anymore. For example, sanitary / heating etc.
“Some only have the first row of masonry done at the shell construction and then stick the rest themselves. No expert knowledge needed.”
That’s exactly how we did it. Shown what to pay attention to, then we built the whole house ourselves with 1-2 helpers from the family masonry ourselves.
And that’s how we did it with the other tasks as well. Trained => did it ourselves!!
That really helps you grow tremendously!
And you learn a lot for life!!! I don’t want to miss that now!
Thanks for your comments that you find it good that DIY projects are described here too... You don’t always have to make everything done!! But of course you need a lot of time and nerves / patience. Which not everyone naturally has available.
I wouldn’t describe myself as “abnormal,” more like not always conforming to the “norm.” Just because I invested a lot of time INSTEAD OF MONEY (like most) into our house, that’s not negative but rather positive!! As many have told me.
Fuel expenses were around 1000€. And yes, they are also included in the cost statement.
The 300€ for tools fits. Since I could borrow a lot from my father / brother-in-law during the construction time.
I didn’t explicitly record my/our working hours for the EL. Only the hours of everyone involved in the construction, including the companies. Because I wanted to know how much time such a house needs to “grow.” And that number became very large and is still growing (I wouldn’t have thought that beforehand).
You say: “The house itself therefore (also because of DIY) had no high value and was sold very cheaply.”
I wouldn’t generalize that because I have heard/read so many reports where especially paid craftsmen / companies did a lot of botching, since it’s not THEIR house but just their job which they (not always satisfactorily) perform. Unfortunately, I had to experience that in smaller cases with us, too. Whoever does it themselves wants it well to perfectly done even if it takes longer.
We have always lived frugally and modestly in life and thus could save something for the house. Even though we always earned little and unfortunately I was even unemployed for a while. But that’s beside the point.
Satisfaction always also has to do with modesty. Sure, bigger, more beautiful, more pompous is always possible (in house planning/construction). But DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE THAT WAY??!!
I didn’t get an extra construction vehicle (like many self-builders do). If you take reasonable care of your car, you can use it for that (even a “small” Golf. I installed a trailer hitch myself before the construction. Just the about 100€ cost of the hitch). And without a trailer, nothing works!! (I could borrow that from my father)
Also, all “small stuff invoices”/every € was carefully recorded every time.
All costs were noted. Even the fuel! (No accusations please!!)
I would recommend this to keep an overview of the finances!
“These mono stones are way too expensive (except maybe aerated concrete)”
We used 36.5cm Ytong aerated concrete and that was the right decision! Easy to lay by yourself (even if you haven’t done it before), good insulation effect (you can do without the glued-on polystyrene), very good indoor climate (compared to other systems),...
So, now you have lots to discuss again. I’m curious