Kitchen appliances, asking for advice.

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First of all, many thanks for the many posts within such a short time!

When choosing the oven, we are now sure that it should be one of the three models. Depending on how the current price/performance ratio is during the kitchen consultation...
Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6
Bosch Series 8 HBG676EB6
Bosch Series 8 HBG675BB1 (somewhat cheaper than the other Bosch, without touch & Wi-Fi)

I would like to - because it is really incredibly difficult with so many products available on the market - shortlist 1-2 devices for each area (oven, extractor hood, cooktop & dishwasher) and then decide on site depending on price and operation.

For the extractor hood, we would prefer such a variant for aesthetic reasons (see photo). These slanted hoods that look like a television don’t really fit into our planned country-style kitchen. The question we ask ourselves, however, is which technology is used for such a solution and whether they are good or rather worse - so that one would prefer one of these slanted solutions after all?


Cooktop
The "Twisted Pad" variant from Neff already makes a good impression in the videos. Our last kitchen purchase was many years ago, and back then Neff was actually a brand that was not mentioned in the same breath as Bosch & Siemens. Even though they all now belong to the BSH Group, can Neff be placed on the same level as Bosch & Siemens?

What is important to us: 80cm wide and a protective frame around the cooktop.

Dishwasher
I do not see the Zeolith technology as a purchase argument for now; apparently, it is not yet 100% mature? At least the differing opinions give that impression.
What was absolutely new to me so far is that there are apparently also dishwashers with what is called "fleet memory technology." Does that mean anything to you? In this, a residual amount of the rinse water is apparently stored in a water bag and reused in the next wash cycle. Sounds unhygienic at first, and you probably only save a few euros a year. Manufacturers probably get their extremely economical quality seals because of this? Do you know how to recognize devices that have this?

In our previous planning, we also have a Neff dishwasher (S52P65X0EU). What is your opinion on it? Similar question as above... better Bosch / Siemens? Which then? Because a similar price level + max. 100/150 EUR more per device (also in the other device groups) should not be exceeded.

Thanks to you all!
Gatho

My tip would still be to get advice at the kitchen studio. For the Miele dishwasher, I paid €805 there and for the Liebherr fridge €986. For that money, at best, I would otherwise get Bosch or Siemens, and it’s not true that they don’t charge the same. We bought an oven from Siemens a few years ago, and it was the second most expensive one available. With that one, I constantly had a technician visit because of the pyrolysis, and it never really worked properly. I wouldn’t let anything like that into the house again. We also bought a steam oven from Miele. After looking at it together with a comparable device from Neff (which would have cost half the price), it was clear it was the only option. I have to say, though, that my wife and I really enjoy cooking. I’d rather save on the car than on the kitchen.

As far as the range hood is concerned, you need to consider what you are doing in the kitchen while it is running. We planned an open kitchen. It can happen that one person is watching the news on TV while the other is busy in the kitchen. Most hoods make so much noise that you can forget about that easily. Have the hoods demonstrated to you and then decide. For us, it was then just Miele and Gutmann left in the race. I have no intention of advertising for any company, but when I think about how long we have had our Miele vacuum cleaner and the wear we had before, I would claim that we previously saved in the wrong place, and the Miele one wasn’t that much more expensive.

Neff and Siemens/Bosch can definitely be mentioned in the same breath. I would even prefer Neff in this case, as in my opinion they have the better operating concept and often nice detailed solutions. In terms of quality, they play in the same league.

I never said that there is no difference between Miele and the BSH group, but it varies from device to device. Usually, Miele or Liebherr costs 30-50% more. For my personal taste, they are not so much better that they justify this price increase, but that is my personal opinion. However, with steam ovens they are indeed the industry leader. With dishwashers, however, I would say most people don't notice a difference. Something can always break. At my in-laws, the (admittedly very good) Miele technician was also a regular guest because the steam oven kept refusing to work and even leaked once.

Is there now a pyrolysis and Slide n Hide in one? Two years ago, that was still a dealbreaker, as both were not compatible with each other.

Yes, there is. As an example, the Neff BVT 5664N