Jurahaus floor plan - early project phase

The proposals by hanghaus2023 in #24 and haydee in #46 are three stories high.

I have only shown what, in my opinion, is the maximum possible according to the development plan. But you are allowed to go higher. So why does the planner have such low windows on the upper floor? He sees it the same way I do. See comment:

You are not open to my suggestion, so I will save myself the effort.

In short, living and dining area and office in the basement. Bedroom and children's room and bathroom on the ground floor. House connection and utility room under the garage. If you have money left over, a roof on top that could be partially developed.

I can't think of who here on the forum has already built something like this with a nice illustrated report on the construction phase. will definitely find it.

I can’t remember right now who has already built something like this here in the forum with a nice illustrated report on the production phase. @11ant will definitely find it.

Do you mean by ? - then however the floor layout

living and dining area and office in the basement. Bedroom and children’s room and bathroom on the ground floor. House connection and utility room under the garage.

is remembered incorrectly.

Written this morning and not yet sent:

Nevertheless, I personally find the tone and the stubborn manner here sometimes very unpleasant

This feeling often arises when others have a different opinion and one does not get confirmation for what one has fixated on and convinced oneself of. Then one is supposedly unfriendly, there is headwind, or "uniform mush is being babbled," although it is exactly the opposite: the individual challenges are usually not recognized by the builder in dreamland, a one-size-fits-all DIY plan is created due to limited knowledge, and the headwind in the thread makes it clear that it’s not that simple to reproduce mainstream and Pinterest on this property.

In this case, an external entrance in the south is planned in the utility basement/cellar on a slope. Above it, a raised terrace on the ground floor is to be built. What will then be dark? Exactly, the basement, since a terrace is planned over the basement windows. But only because of the raised terrace (balcony). That won’t result in a nice bright summer kitchen either.

If, for whatever reason, one still wants to solve it with the basement, then the terrace should be planned where it does not disadvantage the other floor.

I would also like to remind you that there is consideration to set up a granny flat in the basement for the mother-in-law or grown children. Access would then be from the south, practically next to the raised terrace above one’s own property. Privacy for all involved parties would then be zero, because it is once again thought of only as a balcony apartment and not as a garden single-family home life.

Basically, in my opinion, the mistake is constantly made to take a typical house type and put a basement under it or to take a typical house floor plan as fixed (see initial post), without allowing other possibilities at all. (I think I’m repeating myself)

Nevertheless, right now something inside us says that a common room downstairs does not fit

Yes, your opinion, your house, but not the house of the OP. In your case, it is about an entrance on the valley side with living in the basement… which is something completely different here. Individuality or not making the effort to do it differently than what you see everywhere — I admit that to all builders. Only they do not dare themselves. It is not always easy to beam oneself out of a standardized comfort zone and do it differently than what you constantly see in colorful and glossy magazines. But then you shouldn’t pick fights or criticize those who are making an effort. Personally, I probably wouldn’t have written here if the OP had not directly asked for my opinion by addressing me among others.

Whoever does not like stairs or climbing them should avoid a sloped property. Or they must confront themselves with a plan B in the house planning.

However, groceries must be brought into the house all year round, glass only into the garden on nice days.

No problem to go a few steps into the garden, I tend to stay there longer anyway.

The exact difference is that when you enter the house, you are still in arrival-and-put-away-and-task mode. It’s original that a man here only thinks in bottles, but groceries contain a little more. Those few steps in the garden can become very annoying when you are in off-duty mode having to fetch, bring away, watch the child every 10 minutes, cooking meals between childcare in the garden, etc. Conversely, day in day out, not only in nice weather, you rush those steps to keep up with garden care besides cooking. You naturally don’t think like that in a rental apartment. There you rather stand at the panorama window and look at the lousy weather from inside instead of slipping on the wet terrace wood of the emergency stairs.

Since I only just wrote the second part now after searching again for unfriendly comments (negative), I noticed the budget again. I definitely don’t see three floors, nor a granny flat, nor a basemented attic.

I would like to mention again that with sloped plots, the nice option of a staggered gable or shed roof often makes a harmonious coexistence of house and plot possible.

Wow, quite a lot has happened here, I’ll try to respond.

....and had many friends and neighbors with the model targeted here.

Thank you, I feel similarly here.

As is often the case here in the floor plan area, the reasons of the thread starter are probably an idea that one has fixated on before seriously dealing with the topic of floor plans. And now the house is being adapted to the idea, instead of adapting the house to the plot. Apart from the fact that the planned building is probably not even allowed, so that the neighbor does not get a 12m tower in front of them. That is much worse in this regard than the 4m thuja hedge.

No. The reasons are, as already mentioned, experiences from years of searching for a house and from previous living situations. We have also dealt with the topic of floor plans. Not only by bluntly looking at model house floor plans, but we also did some research. Nevertheless, I agree with you that we have fixated on our amateur floor plan. That is exactly why we contacted two architects, of course without bringing our own designs, but we are not happy with the result.
We clarified before buying the plot that we are allowed to build this way. By the way, we also have an alternative design with a 6.5m wall height. For that, we set the basement lower and planned a 45° gable roof. This design is even overall higher. But I don’t understand which neighbor should be bothered by the height. The one north on the slope is 5m higher than us.

We have been reading here for a long time (also following Kati’s thread) and were on the plot to consider all points. Still, something inside us says right now that an all-room downstairs does not fit. These are, among other things, small details on the plot that cannot easily be named. I simply don’t like carrying boxes downstairs. Personally (!) I also don’t like it like with Kati, where guests arrive in the sleeping area and the best view is in the bedroom. I, on the other hand, have no problem going down a few steps into the garden, there I stay longer anyway.

I completely agree with that. Currently, there is excavation from the street on the plot. That allows you to experience different heights very well and "let it affect you". However, trees are marked on the development plan. These were not (at least not in this position) there before. Nevertheless, we would like to continue having a nice view from the kitchen/dining area and therefore would like to look over them.

If one wants to address the OP more specifically, it is only proper that the OP then explains why the basement is not an option, where possible disadvantages lie from their point of view, etc., then a discussion can get going and not just general answers.

You are right, so far I have only argued "pro" ground floor, not "contra" basement. In principle, a living space in the basement would be possible, provided we get our room program in. So far we have not succeeded with a good design.

In the floor plan I see terrace accesses from the dining/kitchen area where the table is quite in the way.

That is due to the placement of the east-facing window. That should be further up on the plan.

And when rereading, I notice

Yes, but the 1.5 m is only when you are standing right at the counter in the kitchen planned by the architect. And then you don’t get to the "usable part" of the terrace, but basically first to the access to the usable part of the terrace.

Sorry for the confusion, the 1.5m refers to the original design, not the "complicated" architect’s plan.

You are not open to my suggestion, so I’ll save myself the effort.

In short, living/dining area and office in the basement. Bedroom, children’s room and bathroom on the ground floor. House connection and utility room under the garage. If you have money left, a roof on top that could be partially developed.

Yes, we are open. But we would like to implement the room program. Your suggestion is missing the second office and storage rooms.

In this case, an outside access is planned in the usable basement/basement slope on the south side. Above that, there should be an elevated terrace on the ground floor. What becomes dark then? Precisely, the basement, because a terrace is planned over the basement windows. But only because of the elevated terrace (balcony). This does not give a nice bright summery kitchen.

If you want to solve it this way—for whatever reasons—together with the basement, then you plan the terrace where it doesn’t disadvantage the other floor.

An outside access in the south in the basement and one in the east on the ground floor. The idea for the ground floor was also that the terrace serves as shading in the summer with the high sun; in winter with the low sun we hope for brightness (seen in 4 similar houses with terrace/balcony depths of about 2m to 4m).

Also, I want to remind that there is consideration to create a granny flat in the basement for mother-in-law or adult children. Access then via the south, basically next to the elevated terrace above the own plot. Then privacy for all involved is zero, because one thinks again only in balcony-apartment terms and has not arrived at garden-single-family home life.

That actually was not even our idea, but that of the builder. The layout is not mandatory. The objection is of course valid. However, one could still access the garden via the eastern garden entrance from the upper garden apartment.

Basically, in my opinion, the constant mistake is made to take a type house and put a basement under it or to take a type house floor plan as fixed (see initial post) without allowing other possibilities at all. (I think I’m repeating myself)

It is not fixed. We would allow other possibilities, which is why we also consulted two architects, but unfortunately nothing better came out of it.

Whoever does not like carrying or walking stairs should avoid a hillside plot. Or they must confront themselves with a plan B in the house planning.

We actually like stairs.

That as a short reply. I hope to receive the new dimensions of the plot as soon as possible. Currently, the original terrain is still marked in the development plan. But the terrain was adjusted during the development. Then we can also post proper views here, based on which one might better see what we have in mind.

As requested, one picture of the property from the south (street) and one of the view from street level + approx. 2m