House without garage and basement? Attic expansion? Lipoma?

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Musketier

2015-07-16 09:27:00
  • #1
I give up. I agree with the opinion from the "Green".

 

ypg

2015-07-16 11:18:34
  • #2


Musketier has given you the answer.



That’s how it is.



The room can be smaller as well if you give it a proper structure, so you plan it in a way that allows both a place to retreat and an open place for socializing.



Try furnishing it.



Barely within the possible range for the technology. TECHNOLOGY, I will come back to that.



So the utility room should become even smaller?





Huh???? The entrance door has a shell construction dimension of 113, if I’m not mistaken. Where should there still be glass? The space is barely enough for the door handle when the door is open.







Your last 3 quotes show your thinking error.
I think I once read from you that your current living room serves as a hallway, with doors leading off of it, and you consider that good.

Unfortunately, no one has definitively told you that in a single-family house daily routes run differently than in a cozy apartment.
My fault from my side: here I speak as a house resident since 1978 at my parents and later as an owner:

Unless you belong to those families who spend the whole day in front of the sofa watching RTL2 and eating chips while having power struggles over who goes to the kitchen, your daily routine at home should be similar to others (excluding shift workers or homeworkers). (Exceptions prove the rule, and I also belong to an exception )

The morning routine after getting up, getting ready, etc. goes to the kitchen to make coffee, have breakfast, etc. Then you go to work or stay home.
At home during the day or evening you mostly handle daily chores involving constant stair usage because of tidying and cleaning, utility room, wiping rooms, utility room, laundry, garden, utility room, kitchen, children’s rooms, utility room, garden, utility room, ironing upstairs, etc., coffee in the kitchen, cooking, everyday stuff at the PC, eating, etc., before chilling in front of the TV in the evening.
And what do you notice? Nowhere appears your central living room.
Unfortunately, you plan your retreat as a thoroughfare, in which all the dirt from the day is spread, without living in it or using it as living space.
If you have a garden or outdoor area, you are often outside, watering flowers, pulling weeds, sweeping the yard, or enjoying free time on the terrace. The front door or utility room works quite well for work-related tasks, for the terrace you use living room-kitchen or dining room.
Should the utility room be planned as a trapped room that you can only reach by passing through all rooms on the ground floor?
What about the laundry basket, which has to be dragged through the utility room door, through the kitchen (sliding door), through the living room? ...
What about in 10 years when the teenage daughter wants a sandwich with a friend in the evening? Why do you want to trek multiple times through the whole house to get tools (TECHNOLOGY) from the utility room (by the way: there is no garage yet) to repair the bike? Why do you want to drag yellow leaking garbage bags or empties through the living room? The utility room no longer has an exterior door because it is too small.
Why do you want to showcase your (house)wife groaning while carrying laundry from the utility room upstairs while you show a friend something on the PC?
Why should your children have to tell their friends to leave just because you are unwell on the sofa? (Believe me, in 10 years you will be exhausted after work and lie down briefly – and that will not be the bedroom

I like unconventional living – I also like restructuring according to personal needs, but with you I see nothing logically thought out – only blinkers. Any catalogue floor plan, which could be improved by small changes, is disfigured by you because you seek the pivot point in the living room.
 

Grym

2015-07-16 11:38:00
  • #3
There are already a few things from the listed ones that take place in the living room, for example having breakfast, drinking coffee, or playing with the child, reading, watching TV, surfing on the PC or in the future laptop, making phone calls, ...).

The kitchen is a purely functional room for me. I don't want to sit among piles of cabinets, technical devices, and yesterday's dishes. Not even for breakfast or a coffee in between; for that, there is the dining table or the couch for coffee.

If I take a little power nap during the day, then of course in bed.

Oh yes, you write ironing: Yes, of course in the living room. Why in a small or medium-sized closet?
 

ypg

2015-07-17 11:42:06
  • #4


in the living room? Then what is the dining room for?



That sounds like evening activities, but not daily work.



But you want to sit next to a PC with piles of cables, a printer, and who knows what?



... clearing up???



I didn't mention that.

Well then... I'm slowly getting an impression of your resistance to advice. Or is it simply an inability to think along?
 

Musketier

2015-07-17 13:31:37
  • #5
That took quite a long time


In defense of Grym, I still have to say something.
Daily routines vary depending on the day of the week and season, and the daily routine will also change with the age of the children or one's own age. I don't believe that every variant of current and future daily routines can be optimized into one floor plan.

Here are a few examples
Breakfast and on weekends also lunch are eaten at our table in the kitchen. Dinner is also eaten by our little one in the kitchen.
It simply has the advantage that food is not spread all over the floor in the living room. Both of us often eat in the evening in front of the TV on the couch. In summer, much is eaten outside. Our dining table is therefore currently rather useless.
But all that will change at the latest when our little one eats dinner with us and no longer needs a high chair.

In summer, our living room is more of a passage room to the terrace, in winter, however, it is the central point (playing, living, partly working, and partly eating).

Ironing is done
-sometimes in the bedroom, so the clothes can be hung up right away,
-sometimes in the living room, to chat on the side, or
-in nice weather sometimes in the garden.
The guest and study room, which was actually planned for such purposes, is strangely not used.
 

Grym

2015-07-17 14:15:54
  • #6
My problem was probably that I believed in the architects' mantra that with intelligent planning a lot of space can be saved. No, that's just not the case. For our wishes, it starts at about 160-165sqm. Living room, dining area, and kitchen around the corner, large utility room, and a decent office with a fitness corner cannot be accommodated in 150 sqm. New plan, certainly towards 165sqm, will follow today or tomorrow.
 

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