House without garage and basement? Attic expansion? Lipoma?

I still have to get something off my chest in defense of Grym. Daily routines vary depending on the day of the week and the season, and the daily routine will also change as the children or one’s own age changes. I don’t believe that every variation of current and future daily routines can be optimized into a floor plan.

A few examples:
Breakfast and on weekends also lunch are served at our kitchen table. Our little one also has dinner in the kitchen.
The simple advantage is that the food is not spread all over the floor in the living room. We both often eat in the evening in front of the TV on the couch. In summer, however, a lot is eaten outside. So our dining table is currently rather useless.
But that will all change at the latest when our little one eats dinner with us and no longer needs a baby chair.

In summer, our living room is more of a passage room to the terrace, but in winter a central point (playing, living, partially working, and partially eating).

Ironing is done
- sometimes in the bedroom, as the clothes can immediately be hung away,
- sometimes in the living room, to chat alongside, or
- in good weather sometimes in the garden.
The guest and workroom, which was actually planned for such things, is strangely not used.

You have described our way of using the rooms - except for small differences.

In our case, when the kids are around, we also eat in the kitchen. On the one hand, because of what the dear little ones drop while eating. On the other hand, because for my daughter everything else is more important than eating (distraction in the living room by toys, etc.). When we are alone (in the evening), we usually eat directly at the coffee table (which is usually only between 8:00 p.m. and 9:30 p.m.). The dining table (which stands in the living/dining room) is primarily used for folding laundry and as a "painting/crafting station" for the kids. That’s why it is also an "older" model.

The only relevant difference - we never iron in the bedroom. This monotonous work lacks the distraction there.

My problem was probably that I believed in the architects' mantra that intelligent planning can save a lot of space. No, that's just not the case. For our wishes, it's about 160-165 sqm starting point. Living room, dining area and kitchen around the corner, large utility room and reasonable office with fitness corner cannot be accommodated in 150 sqm. New plan, certainly towards 165 sqm, will follow today or tomorrow.

Yes, intelligently planned that is even quite possible
We previously lived in 135 sqm ("2 1/2" floors, semi-detached house). We had two equally sized children's rooms upstairs + large office/hobby room and in the attic a huge sleeping/play area. On the ground floor large living room around the corner, kitchen was separate (if we had knocked down a wall, it would have been kitchen/dining around the corner).
Utility room was in the basement – if the house had been a little bigger, it would have fit on the ground floor as well. Guest WC on the ground floor and shower/bathroom upstairs also fit in.

if you make Wohnen\Essen smaller or the children's rooms smaller, then of course that works. And what one person finds huge, is too small for someone else. Without a concrete floor plan, nothing can be said about it.

That took a long time

I have always been a late bloomer and find it hard to believe many things, even though they are obvious...

On a space-saving 9.86 x 8.86 while minimizing corridor space:

My writing is based on this design (the last one) and this text:

The utility room is no further from the living room than if it were in the hallway. The kitchen is even closer to the living room than if it were accessible from the hallway. I don’t understand why one should measure from the front door? The living room is the central place in the house; if I want to optimize routes, then from the living room to room X (kitchen, utility room).

I myself have a constantly changing life rhythm. I don’t have to clean every day (God forbid), and I iron in front of the TV (well, actually my husband usually does it :cool

(Exceptions prove the rule, and I too am one of the exceptions)

Daily routines vary depending on the day of the week and season, and with the children’s age or one’s own age, the daily routine will also change. I don’t think every variant of current and future daily routines can be optimized and packed into a floor plan.

You are certainly right.
But one does not set the living room as the traffic center.
The living room should be the center of the family, but not the junction where everything has to pass through. Why put yourself through it when the path from the hallway to the utility room goes through the whole house, including the quiet zone. And you both and have described your quiet zone, the living room within family life or partnership, quite well.
The central point in a ±140 sqm house is after all the hallway, the entrance with the stair area.

My problem was probably that I believed the architects’ mantra that intelligent planning can save a lot of space

The intelligent design has yet to show itself – we are still waiting... patiently

I expressly do not want to talk about the companies and their quality here, but only discuss catalog floor plans, so I hope the topic thread can remain in the non-moderated forum. In principle, any provider can build anything and the catalog floor plans are purely proposals.

Of course without the bay window/balcony
Possibly convert study into study and WC, and enlarge the utility room in return





Variant A: Entrance in the middle, wardrobe becomes utility room; WC and study basically swap positions; the study then becomes as large as necessary (or stays as it is, because it is large enough) by pushing the wall towards the living room
Variant B: like A and right-angled bay window top left for the dining room, which shifts the kitchen up a bit, the partition wall between kitchen and living area is also extended and the utility room is enlarged by this action (depending on needs also the kitchen)

Both floor plans are in the range of 160-170sqm net floor area (on both floors). In my opinion, there is no wasted space on the ground floor (I am not concerned about the upper floor, as it is large enough in any case) and with less area you could not fit all that plus utility room/HAR and office on the ground floor. The office should be on the ground floor, that is a basic precondition. Also the corner relationship between living room, dining area and kitchen.

149sqm net floor area and you can already see that there are problems in some places. Living room feels too small, children's rooms too small, kitchen would face south (we have a "catalog plot," i.e. square, large enough, south-facing).

The big companies all have top architects, it is just the case that only a certain number of functional units can fit on a certain area. Either we give up the office on the ground floor or we build at least from 160sqm net floor area.

If that is already too specific for the non-moderated forum, then please delete the post and not move it to the moderated forum.

Edit: Or we build towards 140-150sqm with a basement and use the typical catalog utility room as an office.

Children's room too small? Our three each have 12 sqm - but that's actually 8 sqm too much. A bed with a wardrobe would be enough; the rest of the children's activities, especially for kids who also go outside sometimes, hardly take place in the children's room.
Why is the living room too small? What are your problems.
Kitchen facing south? That's OK, then the living room with the terrace is oriented to the west. Exactly where you have the sun in the afternoon after work. The children's rooms on the upper floor would also be well lit by natural light.
Think about your requirements and your budget. You have to choose one way or another - just build big. We did that too - living/dining/kitchen with 75 sqm. It's nice - then you just have to open your wallet.