Gas price increase as of 1.1.2022

  • Erstellt am 2021-11-14 23:03:33

Hangman

2021-11-16 13:01:43
  • #1


My theory: today we have many more opportunities to live in our preferred bubble. We seek it both in real life and digitally. Interaction with people who think differently is no longer an everyday occurrence. And the more I seclude myself in my bubble, the more difficult it becomes. Unfortunately, this is also self-reinforcing.
 

Nordlys

2021-11-16 13:14:16
  • #2
It was about the gas price from the first of January. Not about electricity and heat pumps. So far, it has always been the case that there were very volatile extremes in both directions with oil and gas. That will settle down again. I hope it moves away from CO pricing of certain goods towards a certificate account that every citizen has and with which they must manage, buy, or sell. Then kilometers driven with combustion engines, flights, beef, consumption of things flown halfway around the world, blackberries from South Africa, currently at 1.99 at Edeka, is that really necessary?
 

face26

2021-11-16 13:15:37
  • #3


Everything was better in the past anyway! Back then, Twix was called Raider!!! ;)

But seriously... not that I want to bash social media now, but I believe that these platforms make a significant contribution to this societal sport. In forums (we are the best example here, whether gas/heat pump or SUV yes or no, etc.). Writing anonymously is faster and easier than facing someone in real life and telling them directly. And even if you also represent the content face to face, you usually write on the internet with a sharper tongue or keyboard stroke than you speak in a personal conversation.
And it’s also easier. I can simply point my finger here at someone who drives an SUV without fear that someone will counter me by saying that I fly long-distance three times a year or ride 500 km on my motorcycle every weekend just because I like it (because no one knows that / no one personally knows me on the internet).

I like the internet because it provides a variety of information and opinions. But I don’t always like the manner in which they are "represented."
 

Smialbuddler

2021-11-16 13:32:30
  • #4
We also have a gas heating system in our old building because switching to underfloor heating during the renovation was simply not possible, as it was structurally so challenging that it was financially impossible. Besides, the gas heating system was almost new when we bought the house, and throwing it away is also environmentally nonsensical. When it eventually breaks down, we will consider low-temperature radiators and a fireplace.

Until then, we have a (very expensive) eco gas tariff that offsets all CO2 through certificates and additionally supports forest projects in Germany (or at least claims to). And because we heat very consciously and keep a comparatively low room temperature, our consumption is below the current German average.

The general bashing of gas heating users here is not entirely okay; it affects people like us who simply had no other option or had other reasons. By the way, if we had torn down our little house instead of renovating it, even a passive house would probably have had a worse overall energy balance until the end of our lives than we have now with our gas heating.

Everything is relative.

Back to topic: 30% higher working price as of 1.1.2022. That means 50 euros more installment per month.
 

Deliverer

2021-11-16 14:17:41
  • #5
Bashed is (completely rightly) only done if someone STILL installs a new one NOW. There is no excuse for that anymore.

And this here:

would already bring something even now. Furthermore, there are walls, ceilings, and sloping roofs that can possibly be used as surfaces if the floor is not suitable.
 

Hangman

2021-11-16 14:33:29
  • #6


I once had a renovation of an old building in my previous life, and it's not that simple. For example, we had solid walls. Before installing wall heating there, you first need (internal) insulation. That causes problems with the dew point, etc., and so on. Ceilings and sloping roofs have other problems again. And the floor in our case was not suitable for underfloor heating at all because it was a wooden beam ceiling with insufficient stability and load-bearing capacity. Converting an old building sensibly to low-temperature heating and a heat pump is really no walk in the park. I wouldn’t voluntarily put myself through that either.
 

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