Floor plan - Single-family house planning 2 full floors - city villa

80% of humanity certainly doesn’t have this option and it also works? Showering takes 5-10 minutes – so you can certainly wait then. If someone takes an hour to get ready, then you just have to wait or tell the young lady to get ready in the guest bathroom (which is possible). It’s just a luxury problem, which will surely annoy me from time to time – however, it’s not worth the space or the costs to me either.

That’s how you do it. Whether your children will do the same is simply unknown, just as your wife doesn’t know it from you or you from her. You know it from NOW!!! … and from the current partner … he just had to go, sorry…). In 80% of cases it will probably be like that if you decide so, but in the case of the 20% “residual risk” it could be considerably more comfortable.

I know it from home:

I know it like that too… but will it be like that again? Surely a lot will be different…

Somehow I get the impression that one should/must be prepared for every eventuality. It is suggested that in certain areas there is only one opinion, or everything else would be “wrong.” I strongly doubt that. There are certainly many builders who make the same decision as we do and have never had problems with it.

I think you have already considered a lot, certainly much more than the usual homeowner; for that reason, I also think you will be satisfied with your result.

Anyone who has installed a shower-guest WC will always say: “Oh, thank God we did it, it’s hardly ever used but we are very glad to have one.”
Anyone who hasn’t installed a shower-guest WC will always say: “Oh, we haven’t missed it so far, sometimes it would have been nice, but we have managed well until now.”

… see also the discussion about controlled residential ventilation, underfloor heating, parquet, vinyl…
As I already told you, I see it differently on the subject of bathroom/shower, because family members will never argue about the type of flooring or missing light switch, KNX, controlled residential ventilation etc. The bathroom, however, traditionally has a completely different value and it can’t be retrofitted as easily as, for example, a vinyl floor can be replaced. And…. boys nowadays spend more time in the bathroom than I could ever have imagined as a young person. Times are a changin’……

Well, if I’m not mistaken, was more or less told that financing will be very tight. And now he is being told that urgently this and that is still needed…

That is probably the case in many situations, which isn’t a bad thing as long as you’re careful. For that reason, I would also, for example, only build a garage if I could afford it without problems; if necessary, only a simple carport, or not at all if it’s too expensive. Given the listed garage prices, I’m always surprised that they are nevertheless built by the dozen and so taken for granted, while inside the house savings start at a certain point.

As I said... in certain areas, there are simply different opinions.

We will definitely decide against the shower. Whether this is a mistake or not will become clear in xx years. And even then, somehow it will be arranged :)

My girlfriend is already right when she tells me: "Take it down a notch, others don’t even worry half as much as we do."

Sometimes you just have to somehow close the chapter or stand behind your decision.

In my opinion, the biggest mistake one can make, or what I have also seen with colleagues/friends during house construction:

Letting yourself be persuaded too much by family/friends or anyone else.

A forum is of course notorious for that :D Therefore, it is very important to filter opinions/experiences accordingly. If you don’t do that, the house will most likely be a total disaster for the individual :D

This forum serves to get objective opinions (which helped us enormously in certain things, especially regarding the start of our project). But we know exactly how to handle it :)

As in every forum, there is of course a lot of: "I know everything better" - "that is definitely wrong" - "how can you" - "that won’t be the case" - "you will this and that..."

Everyone wants to share their experiences, which for example were bad – that’s quite clear!

Only: Not every bad experience someone had is bad for another person?

That should be an important realization for everyone here! Just a side note on the whole topic :D

As always: Nonetheless, I am grateful and always ready for lively discussions :D

We stand by what we do because it is well thought out and suits us, I am quite sure of that :)

And with all that, one must not forget: ultimately, we are building somewhere for ourselves too... You have to cope with the 3 years in which the stroller just stands somewhere in the corner or the bathroom is used continuously by a teenager for 2 years :) You can’t prepare equally well for every situation.

Where we are in Swabia, people would say: "My God, don’t make such a fuss!"

Therefore, it is very important to appropriately filter opinions/experiences, etc.

yep, apply your very own personal filter and that's exactly when the forum is helpful. You can be sure that quite a few people won't understand my filters either...... :D.

But there we are again at the topic of comfort, or rather what you really need and what not?

We give up other things and afford completely different things, because they are simply more important to us.

I think it's okay if you don't go along with everything. No one wants to persuade you here. But anomalies should be mentioned, especially when questioned. Some scenarios are simply not known yet. The main thing is that the basement compensates for any comfort you give up, right? ;)

Hm - okay, you have thought it over and have your opinion, but what are the costs for a second shower in the ground floor bathroom? The house remains the same in external dimensions - it does not need to become bigger. Then you have pipes and shower fittings, a shower tray. If you don't want anything special, it will probably stay around ~ 1000€.



The window in the upper floor needs to be adjusted accordingly. Then there is no more symmetry, but I don't really find that important with the different window sizes anyway.

You always talk about individuality here and that you can manage with the floor plan. In my opinion, you are just making everyday life unnecessarily difficult for yourselves. That has nothing to do with individuality, unless you are masochists ;) Your entire hallway will be dirty and muddy. You will then spread the dirt all over the house. If you like cleaning, then of course this is a dream house! If I were to build again, then definitely with a large vestibule with a wardrobe.

You have never been in situations that others have already experienced here long ago. This input is priceless! Your thoughts regarding the stroller, which you park in the garage, basement, or on the terrace, speak volumes... If you put it in the hallway, you will have dirty walls because the wheels scrape along the walls when you constantly push it from A to B. You can probably guess what happens if you have twins ;)

Your kitchen "island" will be full of some stuff you need in everyday life and put there. I suspect that it will be the most untidy place in the whole house. You will probably forget about sitting there romantically.

At least have connections installed for a possible later shower. It will cost you less than 100 euros!