Floor plan of a single-family house with a gable roof, 1.5 stories - improvements?

  • Erstellt am 2018-07-17 09:31:05

kaho674

2018-07-22 11:57:42
  • #1
I think we will never agree here. My father-in-law is now 80 and is currently considering getting a new smartphone. My dad is 75 and faster on the computer than my sister at 50. I don't even want to talk about the next generation...
 

WilhelmRo

2018-07-22 12:49:38
  • #2
Nice that you agree. I confused the 2 people with C. My fault. But then why is my way of expressing criticized and climbee’s seems to be okay? Either skip the comment entirely or treat everyone here equally... No idea what you mean. One book per month between 300 and 1500 pages... Then let those people who have been dealing with it since the age of 11 decide what’s possible with a great tool? Otherwise, no offense, you live in the “yesterday.” whether I draw by hand for 30 minutes or learn to use the tool in the same time... my recommendation remains the tool. And your biting irony is better manners? If you say so... I call it double standards.
 

kbt09

2018-07-22 13:47:12
  • #3
Reading educates, meaning that one should read what other people write. I am probably older than you, have been working with computers for longer, but I do not presume to oblige everyone to work with computers. Sure, you can do great things with the tools, so I refer once again to my ... but not everyone has this affinity for computers. And operating a tool does not necessarily mean understanding the technology that you depict with it.
 

kaho674

2018-07-22 14:02:21
  • #4
It was expressly not about everyone. Rather, it is about how, just as the PC freak acknowledges the craftsman's skill, the reverse is also expected. In my opinion, this does not happen. The "old gentlemen" insist on manual work and allow nothing else.
 

ypg

2018-07-22 14:12:35
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The problem is that sketching has little to do with drafting: a sketch captures an idea in 5 minutes, even next to the bed or on the toilet. The next idea fits in until the one-way street becomes a dead end. Then paper can quickly be crumpled up and replaced. You start anew. From this arises the draft, a relatively error-eliminated final draft.
With a tool or program, you invest a bit more time in the sketch, which results in going around in circles in the dead end because "the rest" took so much time and somehow also looks so nice (own pride without expertise).
If you then also have a 3D tool, you fall in love with what you have “created” as a layman and do not pay attention to any errors. If you even recognize them, you excuse them with "program errors" or just ignore them.



That's exactly it: I am also not a fan of Excel, at least not for house costs. Many do not see or pay attention to the individual items at all; only the result is seen. That perhaps some items are disproportionate or missing is not noticed.



That may depend on the demands of the audience.
It also doesn’t hurt any DJ if he masters an instrument or can read music.
Someone who masters his craft as a talent is always better than one who just shows up with something.



I assume that he also worked with hand sketches in his first years. As an expert, he of course eventually knows that the staircase must have at least 3.50 meters on one side so that a bedroom wardrobe can fit upstairs. A completely inexperienced layman is already out at that point... first arranges the dimensioned utility room with a passage door to the garage before reconsidering the practicality of the staircase’s position.

With totally free house designs (which are becoming rarer), you are wrong to start work with a tool.
Nowadays, most houses only need a standard design digitally adapted...
Then the client comes and evaluates the quality of the architects via the 3D program, which initially impressed the customer and nowadays is even demanded.



By "learning properly," I still mean the craft... hand + craft.



Language level 6. Take a seat!
.............

Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to use my architecture software for 2 years due to missing hardware. As is well known, I switched to graph paper and pencil. For the sketches here, i.e., ideas, a super-fast tool — the sketch is done with small corrections (eraser) in 10 minutes and uploaded.
In that time, the computer has just started up... at least approximately.
And yes, I often notice that TEs then mentally have trouble visualizing the drawing properly in 3D. What is seen or valued are rather program drawings, like those Katja posts here.

For 3D: a tool is helpful then. But only when the sketch is somewhat more mature so that the effort is worthwhile... and please not by total laymen who then overlook the errors, as I mentioned above.
I find this sweet tralala program impossible. Not because I have worked with it, but because the drafts TEs post here from the program never work. Usually, way too much is stuffed into a house rectangle so that it doesn’t function.
Therefore, I reject it for laymen.
Good programs, which cost some money, can support more experienced clients in details.

So: apples and oranges...

I will also buy "my" program again at the end of this year because it has been my hobby for 30 years and I master both this program and making sketches by hand.

Whether the TE here sees where the errors are when transferring his hand drawing into a program, I don’t believe... to get back on topic.
 

haydee

2018-07-22 14:36:06
  • #6
Two or three years ago, there was an interview with the owner of a large American architecture firm. He banned all PC workstations until the floor plan and facades were designed.
Reason: The buildings were becoming more and more boring, more and more unimaginative, more and more alike.

Pencil and paper have the advantage of quick correction with the eraser. The bed is really 2 meters wide and the sofa also has the right dimensions.
 

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