Realize house construction financing or let it fail?

2021-07-21 07:59:38

This is actually a not so atypical RH or semi-detached house floor plan. It works quite well if you can climb stairs.

I can only refer to Zabas' post. At some point, it stops being fun. Then you have to question the entire project. Because even a mini house with 110m2 then costs 700k including the land.

2021-07-21 08:00:50

What to discuss with them? That everyone should donate 100K? but there is a world of difference between 200 and 140 sqm … I find 140 too small.

Too small for 3 people? Well, we are building a little less than 140 sqm. 30 sqm living room, 15 sqm kitchen, main bathroom just under 10 sqm, guest WC, children's room and office each 15 sqm, bedroom 13 sqm, dressing room 5.5 sqm. Plus attic with 2.65 m height for junk. What more is needed? Somehow I have the feeling that people here are getting carried away. You should do a bootcamp in Poland sometime, where 5-person families live in 50-60 sqm and are happy...

2021-07-21 08:01:08

Try planning the whole thing down to 160 sqm. The kids' rooms don't have to be 16 sqm. Mine live with 11 and 12 sqm. That may be too little for some, but for the little ones, that's much more than for us grown-ups. If you make just under 14 sqm out of that now, they have plenty of room for everything important. The bed fits comfortably in there, as well as the PawPatrol station or the Barbie castle.
Then our initial mistake was that we gave our bathroom too many sqm. Today I'm glad about our small bathroom. It feels so much cozier than my parents' long hallway bathroom.
And always keep in mind that the kids will move out someday. Then you'll have huge empty rooms that you can't do anything with because you've already moved your hobbies to the basement.

By the way, I had a 12 sqm room as a teenager. The sloped ceiling started at 80 cm. I really felt my room was big. I never had any problems with the slope.

2021-07-21 08:07:06

I don't find 200m2 plus basement particularly large.

That seems extremely unrealistic to me. Where is 200 sqm + basement considered normal? The houses with 200 sqm living space here are huge "blocks" with two full floors. If you then add a low knee wall, which means you have to spread out even more, such a house will ALWAYS seem huge to an uninformed observer.

We have 156 sqm living space fully basemented and I think it really feels huge. In the house, I always think that too, although contingent on the furnishings. It’s still a shell construction.

Who here has 60 sqm large multipurpose rooms? Yes, some, but that is really very, very large.

I, for example, and I actually find it really good. Strictly speaking, it’s also too large. We now have to buy a huge "knights’ table" so that the dining area doesn’t look empty.

That is definitely an alternative, although I don’t assume we will end up much cheaper there either, since they have to factor in buffers as well.

However, I would definitely reconsider the topic of general contractor (GC) in such a dilemma. If your architect has only received a single offer for the shell construction, then he doesn’t seem particularly well connected. Our GC for 25 houses/year works with three different shell builders.

Despite the margin and risk surcharge, I have the feeling that a GC, through very regular contact with several tradesmen, first of all gets more offers and secondly possibly better prices, so that overall you come out cheaper.

That the architect received only one offer would certainly make me very suspicious.

2021-07-21 08:11:30

I can only refer to Zaba's post. At some point, it stops being fun. Then you have to question the entire project. Because even a mini house with 110m2 costs 700k including the plot.

Whether you want that, and whether it is fun, strongly depends on personal demands and ideas. I used to live like that myself and could manage it again. But you said

110 m2 works on one level, but spread over two floors it won't work. What kind of floor plan is supposed to come out of that?

and I answered that (but didn't want to leave the first part standing as it was).

2021-07-21 08:11:35

In my opinion, that is extremely unrealistic. Where is 200sqm + basement considered normal? The houses with 200sqm living space here are huge "blocks" with two full floors. If you then add a low knee wall, which means you have to build wider, such a house will ALWAYS appear enormous to the uninformed observer.

We have 156sqm living space with a full basement and I think it really feels huge. I always think so inside the house as well, although subject to the furnishing. It’s still a shell.

For example, me and I actually find that really good. But strictly speaking, it is also too big. We now have to buy a huge "knight’s table" so that the dining area doesn’t look empty.

However, I would definitely reconsider the topic of the general contractor in such a dilemma. If your architect has only received a single offer for the shell construction, then he doesn’t seem to be very well connected. Our general contractor for 25 houses/year works with three different shell builders.

Despite the margin and the risk surcharge, I have the feeling that a general contractor, through very regular contact with several tradesmen, firstly gets more offers and secondly possibly also better prices, so in the end you come out cheaper.

The fact that the architect only received one offer would definitely make me very suspicious.

Correct. In the past, in the 60s and 70s, these XXL houses were built. In our rural area, everything is full of them. 180-260 sqm.

The children have moved out, the houses become a burden when old. Lots of vacancies. I don’t know what is supposed to be "sexy" about 200 sqm.

Unless you have 4 children and 7 pets.

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