Very bad and large and shapeless. Replanning tricky - tips

2018-05-24 19:29:08

What is supposed to happen with the 2x 110 sqm of the existing residential building? And why do you want to go through the renovation when you already have plenty of space?

2018-05-24 19:46:09

This is what I mean by naive planning: drawing the conclusion to be able to ignore the rest solely from the sufficient size of the ground floor.

For residential use, I initially see the following measures as necessary: first, clarification of the residential use permit, especially if all remaining farming activities on this site are given up. Second, achieving the currently required thermal insulation level: structurally, I have some doubts about tearing out the floor and laying a new insulated slab deeper down. I rather see the floor leveled out to an even surface, then insulated on top, resulting in a room height of about 2.30 m. Then, third, the apartment must be thermally separated from the attic (i.e., insulation on the ceiling of the living floor). And now comes my favorite phrase from cookbooks: "before that we have" (namely: buried the supply and disposal lines - and non-covered entries on exterior walls are required there).

Overall, I see this factual "bungalow placed in a barn" not becoming one bit cheaper than comparable new construction.

And this, even though the family would be satisfied with less living space: most square meters here are not for a loft feeling; rather, the phenomenon that even with a lot of space many cramped corners can occur.

Honestly: rent out the barn under the photovoltaic system as a cool location for mobile discos and build a 160 sqm house for less money.

The conversion has already been approved by the building authority and also by the ELR grant program, all based on the calculations of the energy consultant. Why should the structural support not handle a new floor slab? All load-bearing walls rest on foundations, and the supporting pillars also have their own foundation. The old floor slab will be separated on the inside at the exterior walls and must also be removed because of nitric acid. And yes, the ceiling must of course be insulated; the energy consultant also requires 240 mm of insulation. Whether we convert the barn or build a new house is a difference of 50,000 in grants, which we do not get with the NEW house... and that is significant.

2018-05-24 19:58:57

Exactly. What still securely holds these supports when the ground around them is being broken up?

To me, this does not look like the work of a professional. Among other things, there is the three-color plan.

The foundation, which is specially designed for the supports. 1.40 by 1.40 and 1 meter deep.

We have submitted a building application and also received the red dot. But that is all still with the original planning including elaborate fire protection, which we do not want to put up with. We wanted to move away from this plan and this is how the plan we posted here came about, but we are not satisfied with it.

2018-05-24 20:01:53

What is supposed to happen with the 2x 110 sqm of the existing residential building? And why do you want to undergo the renovation when you already have plenty of space?

Well, our upper floor with 110m2 and no basement and nothing else is really too small.... and a parent still lives on the lower floor, so it is not usable for us. The house is supposed to be rented out later when the parent... well, you know..... or the children live in the house

2018-05-24 20:01:59

Would you receive the approval like this

2018-05-24 20:02:07

Whether we expand the stable or build a new house is a difference of 50,000 subsidy, which we do not get with the NEW house....and that's a lot.

In my opinion, that is miscalculated: 50 grand sounds like a lot of money. But first, they quickly dissipate in complications (i.e. I would consider it naive to include them in the budget), and second, they roughly correspond to the price for the square meters above the requirement. I stick to the assessment that for a net no more money (if not even less) there would also be a nice little house with a bedroom not on the windbreak.

We wanted to move away from this plan and in the process the plan we posted here was created, but we are not satisfied with it.

Was that one that included the upper floor?

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Very bad and large and shapeless. Replanning tricky - tips

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