Floor plan house with granny flat - improvement suggestions?

  • Erstellt am 2022-08-31 12:31:41

11ant

2022-09-08 16:32:31
  • #1
As a general rule, that is absolutely practical, and precision has no place in a preliminary draft yet! ... ... just as much as this "bulletproof vest" in a house of building class 1. But I had already pointed out that this exaggerated large-caliber fire wall here is not only unnecessary but also a burden on the statics. Moreover, it also makes unnecessary thermal decouplings necessary, if you take it precisely. There generally belongs neither a concrete wall here nor in this generous thickness. I suspect that Zchenknecht is reminded of such a monstrosity from some multi-story residential project. By the way: I fear we have lost :-(
 

K a t j a

2022-09-08 21:18:22
  • #2
Here are a few reference points for the upstairs:
 

ypg

2022-09-08 21:26:02
  • #3
Which is, however, completely exaggerated! You should remember this sentence for all other preliminary and amateur plans. Because you criticize the brick size in almost every amateur plan ;)
 

11ant

2022-09-08 22:28:08
  • #4

No, and I sincerely ask for forgiveness if I have been understood by laypeople as criticizing them for it. Laypeople (and in preliminary drafts) I point this outI criticize "architects" for it (and in supposedly submission-ready plans)!

In a preliminary draft stage
it is about planning a room layout – in such a way that it "works" even when no furnishings are wedged in with centimeter accuracy. For this reason, it is even "pedagogically valuable" if the layperson who is (co-)planning thinks/counts/calculates only in whole double decimeters secondly, and first of all does not even dream of confusing half-centimeter precise dimension specifications with the working precision in shell construction (see also "Where do the half centimeters come from?" at a well-known place).

In building application plans, on the other hand,
the plans should be judged by their ability to truthfully represent the conditions of the literally “construction drawings.” Stones can be cut more or less arbitrarily depending on the material (however, one does not need to deliberately create this necessity!) – but a consistently related bonding dimension must not be!
Therefore, it is proper for the diligent planner to not ignore the material working rhythm of the masons.

For those willing to build, this means: that they are well advised to think in 20 cm steps as long as discussions are still ongoing and when they create their own sketches; and to keep the octameter grid only "in the back of their minds" in order to "catch" their planner in case of possible negligence. This, mind you, not to please me or Gotthilf Penibel. But simply because ignored stone dimensions are the seedbed of botched jobs and violated bonding dimensions.
When in doubt, the layperson plans every interior wall as load-bearing based on spatial requirements and is then pleased when the structural necessity is satisfied with less in some places.
 

MarlenP

2022-09-08 22:57:46
  • #5


What thickness do you think the WTW should have? We were told that a 30cm wall would be recommended due to sound insulation.
 

Sunshine387

2022-09-08 23:02:17
  • #6
Of course, it also depends on the material, but especially as a partition wall it should be at least 25cm thick, since normal apartment walls are too thin. Which is completely normal with 11 or 12 cm.
 
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