Final stage floor plan: Is there still potential here?

Thank you for the many kitchen tips, but the kitchen planner is not that precise to use. We only roughly paid attention to the layout so that we can fit everything we currently have in the kitchen, and there is still quite a bit of empty space left. To the left of the stove, there should be two large compartments and one very small compartment at the top so that pots, pans, and bowls are below and at the very top an 80cm wide drawer for sharp knives. Of course, it’s true that if one person is at the stove, the other can’t access the compartments anymore. Very valuable tip. Thank you. We need to think about that again. Actually, only clutter that is not used often should go into the drawers next to the stove anyway (mixer, egg cooker, foil sealer, rolling pin, etc., etc.) where it doesn't matter if it gets warm in the drawer. There should be a fixed panel under the sink and then a large 80cm wide drawer where all 4 trash bins as a matching set fit in. As I said, we did not enter every last small detail into the kitchen planner. Our priority was first to see if something reasonable could be done with the dimensions of the kitchen. The detailed planning will follow. I don’t quite understand what you mean by this: "In any case, the space for 2 tall cabinets next to the window should comfortably be about 130 to 135 cm wide. That way it doesn’t look cramped." I can’t measure it right now at work, but it’s at least 1.5m. My girlfriend also prefers to have the countertop overhang, but the kitchen planner doesn’t allow that. Thanks again for the hint. Less dirt area is exactly right for us. There is also a corner display cabinet in the dining area and a small shallow wall cabinet between the kitchen door and the double door where cups are supposed to hang. Regarding the hallway: Yes, we also have some concerns, but a roof window measuring 78x160cm is to be installed in the staircase landing, next to the door is a 40cm wide glass element, and the kitchen door should let the southern sun in, since there is a lot of glass area in the door. Another idea was to make a floor-to-ceiling narrow fixed glazing between the living room and the hallway, but could we probably also just plan a door there directly?

Living room, personally I find it a disaster. Plus bars in front of the (already too few) windows and the cell feeling is complete! Definitely add a door from the hallway to the living room and I would also make the passage from the dining area bigger. Have you ever thought about sliding doors across the entire width? Three- or two-leaf, all parts movable and then you have many options and can really connect both rooms during a party, for example.

I wouldn’t want to cook in the kitchen! So you have space there, then make something of it, but not this forced fitness course. I think I’ve said it so often, but then I’ll preach it again: the most ergonomic are two parallel rows with 110 - 120 cm distance. You would have the possibility here. I personally also don’t quite understand why you want seating at the kitchen counter when 50 cm away there is already the table with seating. And even less do I understand this hype about bar height. Why??? As kbt already said: have fun cleaning! But you sacrifice usable workspace for it. Also here: if seating at the countertop is desired, just let the countertop overhang and push chairs/stools in normal seating height underneath. They don’t get in the way and you have much more workspace. But for me, that would only be nice to have, because as toxi already cautiously pointed out: think about where you want to store what and in this context also whether it makes more sense to forgo the chairs at the countertop, but to not make the second, freestanding row out of two rows of base cabinets (depth of the base cabinets to the kitchen 60 cm, to the dining area 40 or 50 cm, resulting in an island with 110 cm depth). It enormously increases the storage volume of the kitchen! And then weigh: what do I need more: a seating option used five times a week or enough storage space? My answer would be clear...

The dressing room would offer too few running meters of cabinet for the qms for me. The cabinet solution you described I also know here. I also find it great (and that’s how our cabinet in the dressing room will be designed), but before I build all these corners here, consider simply straightening the wall between the children’s room and the dressing room, then both sides keep the entire length for such a built-in cabinet. Your girlfriend can have her seating option on the other side if it really has to be. But if my dim eyes don’t deceive me, there is no window in the dressing room at all? Does she really want her vanity table in such a dark nook? Negotiate with her and make a vanity table in the bedroom attractive to her, you have space there and it’s bright too.

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Okay, the additional door to the hallway is basically already decided, even though this creates a large dead space as traffic area in the living room.
Yes, the passage from the dining area should be larger, but the door already costs 1750 euros. Do you have a suggestion for what kind of door could be used? A sliding door can’t be much bigger either, as 4.5m width minus 2.0m door leaves 1.25m per side for sliding.

This door from the attachment is planned as the door. For the kitchen, only single-leaf.

Thanks for all the kitchen tips. The kitchen planning has taken us about 30 minutes so far because we just wanted to see if we could fit anything into the room that we could live with. It’s not more than this kitchen yet J
I need to take a look at the parallel lines thing, I’m not quite sure what you mean.

The seating was just a bit of fun in the kitchen planner.

With the dressing room there’s the “problem” that one half is the gable. So the one side where the closet is in the wall is completely usable without a slope.

I also can’t make the closets as a straight wall and put them side by side, because otherwise the windows in the gable would be blocked. Unfortunately, we can’t avoid the seating area.

She didn’t want a dressing table now and our bedroom is currently 17m².
The bathroom mirror is totally enough for me in the mornings.

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I planned the staircase in Sketchup, where each step is at least 2.30m away from the ceiling.
Raw construction height ground floor: 2.65m -> finished floor height 2.5m
The ceiling will be a CLT composite ceiling of 14cm + 15cm floor construction.
That means the staircase must overcome 2.5+0.14+0.15m = ~2.80m. With 18.7cm steps, that makes exactly 15 steps. Even only 14 steps to the basement. In the floor plan image, the tread width is 26x100cm

So, if I may break that down:
The floor height is about 2.80m. The ceiling height 2.50m and the ceiling accordingly about 30cm thick. Then the staircase should work, I think.

I still find the upper floor a bit of a disaster. I would rather add a 3rd gable in the dressing room, done! Then you have more space for wardrobes there and the house gains a classic exterior look. The staircase gets a skylight and, if necessary, the children's rooms each get one as well. (Dimensions idealized for symmetry for the 3rd gable.) My program cannot draw that, so the gable is only hinted at as a window.

I don’t understand why you want so few windows on the ground floor. I have added a few more.
What wall thicknesses are you using?

Two-row kitchen? I mean something like this:



The island can be placed against the wall or stand freely. Of course, you have more space if it is against the wall, but then it’s no longer a proper "island."
Another advantage: no dead corners.
Here there are obviously also two rows of base cabinets under the island; of course, you can also leave out the base cabinets facing the dining area and slide chairs underneath.

Your and my taste in doors diverge greatly *ugh*.
I meant a solution more as a room divider and movable with both sliding elements; the same is of course also possible with three elements, then you can slide two elements behind a third and have an even larger passage:

OG of Kaho is definitely in a different league!

However, if the dressing room has a gable, I would definitely place the seat on the other side and let the wardrobe run along the entire length of the wall.