Exterior wall for KFW 40 (+) with or without ETICS?

  • Erstellt am 2021-02-18 11:23:56

Franke86

2021-02-19 18:22:52
  • #1
The developer acts more or less as the site manager... a company in the city is being sought here to then build the house...

Ultimately, it should not be too noisy and should be well insulated... and of course not a 20,000 euro surcharge.. I just want to make the best choice for the next few years and then leave my daughters a relatively good house :)
 

WilderSueden

2021-02-19 18:41:39
  • #2

What else should I significantly improve in a KfW40 house? A little more and you have passive house standard. And after that, energy demand approaches zero and nothing. You also have to see where the energy standards come from; a solid construction from 1970 often has about 300 kWh/sqm, a 40 house is below 25 kWh/sqm. In 50 years, definitely nothing will be added to that. That would be insulation madness to the power of 10.
Regarding wall thicknesses... we come to 40 cm stones (plus plaster). A prefabricated house of the type that only consists of insulation mats between wooden beams and a board on each side results in about 40 including plaster. The OP’s example with ETICS with 24+18=42 comes out the same. It’s all about the same.

Styrofoam is at the top of the statistics and will probably continue to lead there. ETICS is often the only option in renovations, and Styrofoam is always the cheapest. Still, one does not have to consider that the future.
 

guckuck2

2021-02-19 19:27:47
  • #3


An exchange of arguments leads to discussion. That is what a forum is normally for.
And I’m not telling "you" how to attach things, but everyone. Because "nails don’t hold well in ETICS" is undoubtedly a true statement, but I propose the thesis that nails are always bad, in wood barely ok, especially on facades.
By the way, chewing gum holds poorly on glass.



You should orient yourself on — forcing nobody to use material they don’t (well) know. It only causes trouble.



Read the last 10 pages, then you can pick an opinion :D



Without counting every penny twice, that still seems to be in the green zone. Besides the extra cost of the thicker insulation, for example, deeper window sills and parapet flashings are needed.



Very good. Please always use massive flat roofs and definitely not one made of wood!



Our ancestors thought the same 50 years ago. Energy cost nothing.
Who knows what will still change in 50 years.
17.5 cm aerated concrete + 20 cm insulation should be a suitable combo for the OP, that would be 37.5 cm for KfW 40 envelope.
I criticized the unnecessary thickness of the hollow brick, aerated concrete can do better. But still the elephant rule above applies.
 

11ant

2021-02-19 20:02:30
  • #4
So far, I thought that by "developer" you meant, in the typical layman’s conceptual confusion, the general contractor (the construction company to which you want to give the entire construction execution as a contract). Apparently, your tangle of terms is even more confused – so explain whom you mean each time. If I interpret it correctly now, do you mean a mailbox general contractor??? Today, I would no longer "build" on the assumption that the children will later form a civil partnership in the place of the parental home. What can sand-lime brick do better: be thick? – On the contrary, or did you mean exactly that: KS can carry more slimly and leave more total wall thickness for the ETICS? The 11-antenna rule (stone mantra) unfortunately has no clause for the case* that you take a mailbox general contractor who already bungles the bricklaying: because the mason is only executing, the GC does the “planning” (as long as one is content with a draftsman’s house – but I also consider that a misinterpretation of “you build the first house for an enemy” *LOL*). *) I warmly thank you for the note regarding this small bug in my mantra :-)
 

Franke86

2021-02-19 20:07:29
  • #5
Exactly, so it is a company that distributes the tasks but takes care of everything, planning, statics, etc. (just like an architect).

Yes, the thing with the daughters may be true, but they should have the option or inherit a quality house that they can then sell well.

The company has an excellent reputation.. I have spoken with some and also know some personally :)
 

11ant

2021-02-19 20:24:43
  • #6
So an architect who prefers to earn his money as a mailbox general contractor? At this point, the Kölsche inevitably brings up the sentence about the expensive wools: dat kaschmir nit vüürstelle. How is that supposed to work if you have changing structural shell builders? What I meant to say is: inheriting houses is a thing of the past. Whoever builds a house well under sixty today will in most cases "pass it on with a warm hand" again.
 

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