Evaluation cellar / settlement house Bavaria

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Albinomaus

2019-10-14 22:58:27
  • #1
I'm going to join in here, we're currently working on a very similar project, including the issue with the basement (which, by the way, we aren't going to do anything with for now). Regarding your list and what should come first, I can only advise: Talk to the window installer first, because in the winter months in our area, the windows have a delivery time of at least 10 weeks. I wouldn't do any drywall work before the windows are installed. For us, first things will be demolished, then the electrical and plumbing work will be done, and only after the windows are in will the plastering be done and the floors will be the very last. We are also doing the roof including windows, but independently from the rest, depending on when the roofer has time.
 

dertill

2019-10-16 08:39:38
  • #2
Somehow, in every inquiry about renovating old buildings, someone always feels compelled to write that they wouldn’t tie themselves to something like that and would never ever do it and can only advise against it (based on 3-5 lines of description without pictures) ... usually without expertise or personal experience beyond their own role as a builder of new construction.

A little house from the 1950s is usually quite simple, and modernization/renovation is no rocket science. The OP is even lucky that apparently much is still in the [Originalzustand] and nothing has been worsened by misguided improvements.

There is no list or project plans here or that I know of. It’s generally not possible because the scope of renovations and the necessary sequence are not always the same. However, it always makes sense:

First tear everything out, then everything that creates dirt, from top to bottom, then put the windows in and finish with the floors/screed.

If you want to renew water/sewage/heating/electrics, depending on condition and pipe routing, it also makes sense to renew the screed at the same time. When done as dry screed, you even get insulation. Tiled areas can be done completely without conventional screed and you can directly glue and tile cement-coated, fiberglass mesh insulation boards ([Bauplatten], [WEDIplatten], [Jackoplatten]). It insulates, is cheap, can be done yourself, and is quick. For proper insulation + screed, there is usually no space downward in these houses.

Important to clarify for renovations in the cold season is how to keep the place warm when the heating is off and how to get construction moisture out of the rooms. It’s very helpful to insulate the roof or attic as quickly as possible.

Whether the 100k is enough depends on the size of the house, the actual planned work, and your own contribution. For a similar scope of work on 140m² (windows, heating completely, electrics completely, floors and 70m² screed, plaster repairs and new fine plaster, paint, one full bathroom, excavate basement, insulate, seal, small masonry work, new interior doors, attic insulation, ceiling insulation in the basement where possible) we paid about 60k€. The only craftsmen we had were the plumber for water/sewage pipes and the entire heating system including pipes (20k€), the window installers (15k€ including removal/installation), and the electrician for equipping and connection of the fuse box (2.5k€ including material). The rest was own work.
We took about 5 months with two people (my father and me), always Saturdays/Sundays + 4 weeks vacation. It was fun, but after that, I was done. After moving in, there were still some finishing jobs, and after now 1.5 years with two small children, even the new terrace is finished and the garden is in shape... but there is always something to do.
 

11ant

2019-10-16 19:05:52
  • #3
At least there are examples here, yours, that of and in that post: I have linked several others as well.
 

Trademark

2019-10-16 22:52:51
  • #4
I believe that especially with such projects it helps to read along in the forums on various topics, and especially where it comes to renovations, you can really extract a lot of knowledge.

When it starts to get more concrete for us now, you then also use the search function extensively and already believe you are an expert.

That usually lasts until the first encounter with craftsmen, construction management, or the like, but that is then called reality.
 

Peter Silie

2019-11-24 17:35:22
  • #5
We are now officially the owners of the house and have been busy for two weeks. The father-in-law and the grandfather-in-law have completely turned the garden upside down, resulting in 7 trailer loads of green waste in the end. My brother and I are currently hard at work removing wallpaper and have already finished the upper floor.

I now have several quotes for the individual trades on the table and am doing some preliminary evaluation.

Insurance: I have an offer from HUK: water damage, natural hazards, storm and hail, as well as fire protection for €320. The basement seems to be included in the offer; since it is not developed and not counted as general living space, is it still insured? Suppose a pipe bursts down there and the basement floods, would someone pay for that?

Electrical quote: 120 m² current state of the art €13k gross (or the relative for about €8k)
Sewer and potable water complete renewal + radiators: €12k gross
According to him, heating pipes were in good condition.
Windows complete (including large sliding door) €19,000 gross (waiting for two more offers here)

Balcony renovation, it’s not very big; what can one expect here? About 2.50 meters long and 1.50 meters wide.

I have comparison offers here and there but especially need a bit more clarity for electrical and sanitary work.

It’s really fun at the moment, hopefully it stays that way.
 

hampshire

2019-11-24 22:00:14
  • #6
Sorry, that's simply unacceptable. Even if it might be that a bad apple is at work here – to label "lying" generally as the job of a real estate agent is rock bottom. Thank you for your feedback and good luck!
 

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