Desirable property affordable? Experiences?

  • Erstellt am 2023-01-23 10:28:06

Reinhard84.2

2023-01-26 15:37:32
  • #1
I once lived for rent in a terraced house - luckily - so I knew that I didn't need that again.
 

Traumhaus31

2023-02-05 11:18:17
  • #2
Small update from my side:
- In the meantime, I have received a promotion that raises my net salary to €5,900 (excl. bonus)
- I had a conversation with the financial advisor, who sees a loan amount of €660,000 as feasible at about 3.9% interest (or 3.55% considering €150,000 KFW renovation loan), 15-year fixed interest period
- Equity has increased to €100,000 through stock gains

We are now considering possibly making an offer for the mentioned property.
Calculation as follows:
- €550,000 purchase price (instead of the listed €620,000)
- approx. €60,000 incidental purchase costs
- €150,000 estimated modernization measures
- Total = €760,000
- Minus €100,000 equity
- Loan = €660,000 = €3,000 installment

Income of €5,900 + €500 child benefit (+ not considered: approx. €1,000 part-time income from wife + approx. €1,000 bonus payment net broken down monthly)
So, €3,400 remain per month for all other costs (so far these costs amount to €2,750).

Would you still advise strongly against making an offer to the seller? At what purchase price would it become realistic for you?
 

SoL

2023-02-05 11:27:12
  • #3
I still advise against it. Especially since renovations are always hard to estimate. What will you do if the renovation costs 50 or 100k€ more?
 

Gelbwoschdd

2023-02-05 12:19:30
  • #4


You really have a great salary, no question, but a €3,000 installment without certainty that it will be enough is really a tough pill.

In the first 15 years alone, you will pay €330k in interest and still have a remaining debt of €450k. That is way too much.
Just for the interest in the first 15 years, you could rent something for over €1,800. But then you would have €1,200 more monthly available. The higher incidental costs haven’t even been taken into account, and the €450k debt would still be outstanding for a house whose last renovation was 15 years ago.
By comparison, we will have paid about €26k in interest for our house by the time it is paid off. It’s not really a fair comparison, since interest rates and construction costs were lower, but those are worlds apart in terms of costs, and in the end we both live in a house—ours paid off, and yours with a €450k remaining debt. So, for me, that is massively too expensive at the moment...
 

Gelbwoschdd

2023-02-05 12:32:57
  • #5
What I have to fairly add is that your house will probably be worth significantly more afterwards due to location and size, but those extra costs would never be worth it to me. In the end, you might have paid the bank three-quarters of a million just in interest. That is crazy, and the question is whether you will get that back later in a possible sale. After all, the house might also need renovation again when it is finally paid off.
 

kati1337

2023-02-05 12:45:47
  • #6
I came to about 400k remaining debt and 284k interest payments in the first 15 years, but of course I agree with you that this is quite a chunk. 400k remaining after the fixed interest period is dangerous, you don't know the follow-up interest rate. And tendentially you would have to repay faster rather than even slower. I assume your income situation will also be different in 15 years. However, the 150k might also be tight. It would be too risky for me even with the new conditions.
 

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