Salaries, A6 and other unknowns

One could use the public sector as a reference. The salary tables are accessible. An academic with a diploma or master’s degree (not bachelor!) is in TV-L 13 and even after several years in the profession does not get 3,000 euros net. The annual gross salary starts with a 5.

If you’re already taking the public sector, then also calculate with the civil servant table. In my case, you inevitably start in the public sector with a diploma/master and the 2nd state exam at A13, which is about 2950€ net in tax class 1 (NRW), depending on the federal state.

PS: An E-Class is better than an A6

That rather depends on what you expect from a car. I once had my parents’ CLK for 2 days in exchange, after that I was cured. The driving behavior is not at all my thing, end of story. That doesn’t make the CLK or the E-Class a bad or worse car, of course – it’s just different. Apart from that, it’s just complaining at a high level anyway.

Such a stupid comparison. In my world, everyone knows that the public sector simply pays worse than the private sector. Just look where the really good people work? Usually in the private sector!

Even here, it doesn’t hurt to consider the whole thing with a bit less emotion and more expertise: in my industry (admittedly, a small bunch, but not that small after all) there is currently a massive shortage of young professionals, as there are too few graduates. The few that do exist either start with A13 entry pay in the public sector – see above – or get employed by major corporations; personal risk almost zero, good earnings.

Young talent for the independent engineering offices like mine ... very difficult. Only one catch – our services are needed.

Best regards
Dirk Grafe

If payment in the public sector were based on performance and efficiency, I am sure one could earn more there... oh sorry... completely forgot about the politicians...

One should also consider that there are enough public sector positions where no civil servant status is granted and thus no A classification occurs. I know some who work for under €2,000 net, and in my opinion, that is also good money if you don't completely lose touch like apparently some here.

It's really amazing what some people get nowadays (not earn), ideally €4,000 net, 35-hour week and 30 days + X vacation... No wonder a Golf already costs >30K....

Sorry, had to get that off my chest

Yes and no – you have to look at which industries pay it and where there is a real shortage of young professionals but demand for certain services. There, above-average pay is also given.

Man sollte auch bedenken das es genug ÖD Stellen gibt in den nicht verbeamtet wird und somit auch keine A Einstufung erfolgt.

Clear yes. But there is also C/B pay grade, which is especially available to engineers/academics, who are always mentioned here. That’s why I wrote that you then also have to consider the A pay grade. For example, I couldn’t even apply for a TV-L position or would probably be kicked out immediately for overqualification.

Best regards
Dirk Grafe

It's really crazy what some people get nowadays (not earn), ideally 4,000€ net, 35 hours a week and 30 days + X vacation... No wonder a Golf already costs >30K....

I earn significantly more than that and have 30 days of vacation. I don't feel either criminal or morally/ethically depraved. On what basis do you assume it should be different?

At our place (Eine Bundesanstalt mit > 2000 Mitarbeiter), many do not want to become civil servants at all, myself included.

It definitely does not have only advantages. For example, civil servants have to work 40 hours/week, TVöD 39. That already relativizes the higher salary. Furthermore, federal civil servants can simply be sent all over Germany if necessary. You also have to "like" the peculiarities regarding health insurance.

At our place, hardly anyone complains about the salary anyway, because in Thuringia you are already quite well positioned with the public service.