Renovation costs mid-terrace house built in 1995 - and consultation

  • Erstellt am 2021-09-26 14:07:40

HubiTrubi40

2021-10-26 12:03:05
  • #1
Thank you for the congratulations. I am also very happy. Finally a big step forward. It is also great that you get so much support here and can discuss or many opinions come together. That has helped me enormously. A quick question though: the bank now needs the building permit from back then from me. It can be obtained through the building authority and file inspection... but since when is that necessary?
 

11ant

2021-10-26 13:36:02
  • #2
They must be out of their minds. It’s an absurd assumption, completely detached from reality, that a mid-terrace house could have existed as an illegal building for 26 years. What are they actually smoking for breakfast?
 

HubiTrubi40

2021-10-26 15:56:40
  • #3
I see it that way too (the real estate agent as well). But what can I do? They say it has been mandatory at their bank since the beginning of the year. On the other hand, they are not interested in proof of equity. So it seems that every bank has its own priorities.
 

HubiTrubi40

2021-11-05 00:00:41
  • #4
Hello everyone,

I was at the house yesterday with a craftsman to roughly discuss what should be done. We already have our general ideas, but it would be good to hear your opinions or tips again. First about the craftsman and the company. He is a so-called all-rounder, a renovation company, but makes a good impression and was recommended to me by the realtor. He does floors and walls himself, for the bathroom he gets help from a plumbing colleague. For the floors he also works with a regional flooring company that has a very good reputation. So far, so good.
1. At the beginning, he recommended vinyl for the bedrooms/children’s rooms (he himself seems very convinced of vinyl, would also lay it in the bathroom). But we are now planning parquet on the ground floor (living room with dining area), in the bedrooms/children’s rooms and in the attic studio. I don’t know much about floors, but somehow I tend to go for it because it is a natural product. I am aware that parquet may be more sensitive than vinyl, for example, but I don’t tend to be bothered much by “scratched” floors. What is important to me is durability, warmth and the look. We don’t have underfloor heating. Currently there are carpets on the upper and attic floors; he would still remove those, and tiles on the ground floor. I will probably remove those myself. The question is whether the screed needs to be repaired. Here in this thread already suspected that the screed has a crack. This was also confirmed by the craftsman. That means it might have to be repaired with epoxy resin. Since the floor is somewhat uneven, it would be leveled. If the tiles are difficult to remove, he suggested just removing them in the area of the damaged screed to level it and then to lay the floor structure above. In the attic or studio, there is apparently a wooden subfloor, presumably no screed. Is this reasonable?
In the basement there is a living room with tiles... here we actually plan vinyl. But here too the tiles might have to be removed because there are cracks as well.
2. He would paint all the walls or remove wallpaper in the living room (wallpaper with textured surface, already painted over several times) and plaster instead (1mm abrasion suggested), which would be okay for me.
3. He said if you do floors and walls anyway, you should do the doors at the same time, I can understand that after he showed me how yellow they are, either yellowed or the tenant smoked. The door seals are completely yellow (he estimates the cost per door all-inclusive at 500 euros). There are a total of 14 doors, so it adds up, but it could possibly be counted as a modernization (with regard to the bank).
4. There is water damage in the bathroom (I had also described this once). At the shower either the drain is leaking or the grout; the cheapest solution would be to cover the tiles in the shower area (with new tiles) or if it is the drain to patch it or to completely redo the shower (which would also be okay for us). The bathroom itself would otherwise be okay, maybe at the same time cover the floor tiles.
5. He recommended going to a kitchen specialist (to his colleague ;). But I tend very much to my already existing Ikea Metod kitchen. We bought that in the last apartment and expanded it in the current one. With small extensions we should manage here. Since we saved on electrical appliances back then, we would possibly buy a new stove and oven. The only problem (my experience with Ikea kitchens): Nobody wants to install them. The last two times we had total failures with the installers (both from the internet), the last time I installed most of it together with my landlord. But now all the cabinets are already assembled. The two or three additional elements I can still do myself. The main problem is alignment, countertop and connections. But this version would definitely be cheaper than a completely new kitchen.
6. Optional: A basement room (approx. 15 sqm), completely bare with concrete floor but heating preparation, I plan to convert into a music room. That means installing a heater (cost estimated 1000 euros), pipes are already present. I would probably do the floor myself with insulation/possibly cork, but quite simple. But since this is just an idea for now, this project will be put on the back burner for the time being.
7. Since we don’t have a garage, but only two parking spaces in front of the house, which are also slightly sloping, I still have strong concerns regarding the bicycles. My current idea would be a bicycle garage/shed for max. 2 bikes (one e-bike), and a bike rack for the children’s bikes. I had already asked once, but presumably you don’t need a building permit for something like this? Unfortunately, I don’t have another idea. The garden is unfortunately not an option, as it is not accessible.

Best regards,

Hubi
 

KlaRa

2021-11-05 10:43:59
  • #5
Hello questioner.
That is quite a lot of text with which you are blessing us here.
But better a comprehensive description than just a fragment, which then leads to misinterpretations.
Briefly addressing your questions:
1.) If the tiles are difficult to remove, he suggested removing them only in the area of the damaged screed to level it and then laying the floor as a build-up above it.
Answer to this:
That can be done. For the flat leveling compound (at least 2mm thick), a leveling filler should be applied only in the joints so that the old joint pattern does not show through the top covering afterwards.

2.) Bathroom with water damage: At the shower, either the drain is leaking or the joints, the cheapest solution here would be to cover the tiles in the shower area
Answer to this:
CAUTION!!
If the old tiles, which is to be feared, were not installed on a waterproofing layer, which is required nowadays during renovations (both laypersons and craftspeople should adhere to these rules), then a considerable weak point for the future would be "built in" with the new build-up.
If you want to avoid removing the tiles, the object must also have a corresponding height reserve.
Unusual but practically possible and not contradicting the technical rules would be to level the entire surface (old tiles) as well (the steps are: thorough cleaning and grinding the tile surface with a diamond disc, then applying filler), then applying an alternative surface waterproofing, which also integrates the edge areas and especially the wet-load corners of the room using corner connectors.
That would at least technically work.

3.) Converting a basement room into a music room
Answer to this:
That is all possible. Only to consider is that the technical room (which it is) was planned as a "room of subordinate use."
The missing rear waterproofing as well as the lack of thermal insulation cannot be replaced by cork flooring!
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Wishing you much success: KlaRa
 

HubiTrubi40

2021-11-07 01:29:05
  • #6
first of all, thanks for your detailed answer. I think, as you described above (the unusual way as you said), his suggestion would be to do it as cost-effectively as possible. Otherwise, only the shower tray and that part of the bathroom would remain partially done, or the entire bathroom would have to be redone completely. But for the 8-10 sqm full renovation, he said one would have to calculate 15,000 to 20,000 euros. I can't afford that right now. Still, I'm considering visually freshening up the bathroom a bit. Maybe new floor tiles (tiling over) and a new and larger washbasin. The washbasin shouldn't be a problem. But at least something would be done then.
 

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