Photovoltaics at any cost - current situation and offers

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-31 13:22:19

xMisterDx

2022-08-08 01:11:40
  • #1
As has been said many times before... those who buy/order now at moon prices also need moon prices for electricity for it to be worthwhile in a finite time. But that is not to be expected, the prices will normalize. They have to normalize, because with 30 cents/kWh gas and 60 cents/kWh electricity, Germany is basically done for. That would be the end of the industrial location and thus the end for our entire economic system...

And then we are back at the market... sellers of gas, coal, and oil want to sell and therefore have no interest in the customer going bankrupt...

You can imagine it a bit like with the DAX... in the end more and more people jump on because they want to quickly earn along... and then the crash comes...
 

MaxiFrett

2022-08-08 07:12:57
  • #2
Personally, I am of the opinion that photovoltaics do not necessarily have to be “worth it.” Our house is not financially profitable either. A new car is no better.

We will soon generate our own electricity – how cool is that? – and enough so that on good days it will be enough for the whole street.

A Smart Meter will also be installed, with which I can see at any time how much is consumed in our household and how much we produce ourselves. A treat for the tech nerd in me.
 

RotorMotor

2022-08-08 08:44:22
  • #3
Basically, yes, a nice statement. However, there is a risk that prices will continue to rise because of that. And then not everyone can afford it, which is not good for the energy transition. So full black and storage can be luxury products. Photovoltaics should really pay off for everyone at first, I think. But usually, it does.
 

Nida35a

2022-08-08 09:46:26
  • #4
Offer 28kwp + 10kwh storage, all in 92,000€ gross, and you will hardly believe it, an economic feasibility calculation attached at the end. I will definitely wait until prices are normal again.
 

xMisterDx

2022-08-08 10:45:44
  • #5


If you have the money lying around, okay.
I would have to take out a loan or refinance for it, now at the usual 4-5% (personal loans or refinancing are always significantly above the mortgage interest rate for the main loan). And at the current astronomical prices, maybe it pays off in 15, 20 years, because a lot of interest is added.

I’d claim that 90% of property owners have these panels on the roof because they hope it will eventually pay off financially.
And not because it’s simply cool to produce your own electricity, no matter the cost.

And then comes the annoying part:
A forum like this is actually meant to give people realistic assessments of whether it’s worth it or not when asked.
Saying "Your car doesn’t pay off either?" doesn’t help.
Of course my car pays off because without this thing I couldn’t do my job.
 

DaGoodness

2022-08-08 11:10:10
  • #6

Well, I would really like to see that profitability calculation :D
Let's leave out all the details and just calculate on a basic school level.
Let's assume the system runs for 20 years. Then that's at least €4,600 per year in electricity costs that would need to be saved for the whole thing to even pay off.
I am also someone who likes to calculate things a bit more optimistically, but this just cannot be made to look good anymore.
 

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