New construction lighting planning and implementation

We were writing about the Occhio sento.

I wonder if the nearly half as expensive Deltalight Vision LED wouldn’t do just as well. It comes in matte white, which I also like better.

Well, if you like it better, that would already be an argument for the Deltalight.

The Occhio is round, just like an eye (occhio indeed), and is also available in matte white -> which is also our choice.

That the Occhio is technically on another level is shown by the CRI of 95 alone compared to the DL with CRI 80. Whether that is relevant to you, I can’t say.

And if you want to use it in the stairwell, that might also be sufficient; likewise, I can understand that many features (gesture, air function, light filter, ...) might not necessarily be needed. Of course, these also contribute to the price, which you naturally wouldn’t necessarily have to pay.

In our living room, two or three features are useful to us, but the appearance, color fidelity, and quality of the fixtures were important. Since we will also have two Mitos and a Piu piano in the dining area, a consistent design was important to us again. You can do that, but you don’t have to, of course.

Regarding build quality and value: When you hold the Occhios in your hand and then the DL, you can definitely feel the difference. Since they hang on the wall after installation, that might not be relevant for everyone. But it can also explain a certain price difference; whether everyone acknowledges that and is willing to pay, everyone has to decide for themselves. For us, it fits.

But the DL also makes brightness [emoji4]

I think wants to point out that your planner simply does not include floor lamps, shelf lights, or other accessories in the concept, but from her perspective, exactly those are essential to a lighting plan.

That’s EXACTLY it. You got it [emoji4] I can well understand that some people who don’t have the talent themselves hire an interior designer, a lighting planner, or a garden planner to get the best out of the “space.” But here I see way too much spot lighting, which does not belong to proper room lighting. It probably belongs more to the category “pushing the possibilities of spot placement including KNX or other gimmicks” sorry, I myself know too little about the latter... but more about design. Planned room lighting includes, among other things, main light as well as task, reading light, and indirect lighting. You have to point out that nobody in everyday life makes the effort to take some pad in hand just to change the lighting every hour. Maybe turn one off, the other on, but Blah blah you probably don’t want to hear that either. Were there some dark high-gloss tiles shown somewhere? Are those the ones to be laid? If so, then you realize that everything will reflect in them? That creates absolute unrest.

He plans everything. You can also see the pendant lights above the dining table, for example. … In an office with recreational quality, I find it nice to create different lighting moods. For example, late at night, when I’m just doing a few things on the PC without reading etc., I don’t like to have the full fixed lighting on but only atmospheric light.

“Now there’s a short romantic moment, but work still has to be done... gladly later... come over when I have changed the light... End of work, quickly change the light…”

To me, that’s way too much theory, which is not lived at all because the switch in the mind just doesn’t click that you have to switch at some point in the work process or in life.

Meaning: I consider this planning an unlivable theory. Fine for a script in an American thriller.

Regarding the stairwell lighting: the first option fits your idea and the entire planning, but it’s way too glaring and absolutely unpleasant to walk that staircase. The second may be interesting… where the playful style fits, nevertheless, I find it, independent of your new build, too special to integrate as a long-lasting emergency lighting in a stairwell.

Edit: most lamps, like pictures and other decorations, have to emerge naturally in a room anyway. Living will reveal a lot that fits or might fit – the origin or the name of the accessory/light plays a rather subordinate role – the focus is more on the aura and the effect.

Exactly THAT is how it is. You got it right

You see, even I sometimes have my bright moments...

I can well understand that some people who don’t have the talent themselves hire an interior designer, a lighting planner, or a garden planner to get the best out of the "space".

Don’t you think that sounds a bit arrogant and overconfident? To put it bluntly, it almost sounds a little like saying that the professions of landscape gardener (training), lighting technician (technical degree), interior architect (degree) are not needed at all if you just have talent like you do. I mean, these people do this professionally, usually have acquired broad knowledge, methodology, and especially experience during training, studies, and later in their job, which you just casually dismiss as unnecessary and irrelevant or "theoretical." Apart from the fact that this is not very appreciative, isn’t it quite naive to believe that, based on a self-attested talent, you think you understand and master the entire professional field better than people who have the appropriate methodology and experience?! I don’t know, it sounds a bit like the widespread phenomenon of people thinking that googling a little is enough to then have to explain to the consulted doctor how "medicine" actually works....

But here I see way too many spotlights, which do not belong to proper room lighting. It probably belongs more to the category "pushing the possibilities of spotlight placement including KNX or other gimmicks," sorry, I myself know too little about the latter... but more about design.

I feel the same about the number of spots, as I already said. As far as I know, the lighting planner has nothing to do with KNX planning. Where does the claim to know what belongs to proper room lighting come from? I mean, maybe a lighting technician is reading here and can still learn something

Proper room lighting includes, among other things, main light as well as work, reading light, and indirect lighting

For me, a holistic consideration including all light sources as well as the architectural basic ideas of the building also makes sense, but I definitely wouldn’t claim that plans that do not do this are all wrong – because neither have I learned the profession, nor do I have the relevant experience, nor any all-encompassing talent – neither subjectively imagined nor objectively proven

It should be pointed out that no one in everyday life bothers to take some kind of pad in their hand every hour to change the lighting.

No offense, but this statement clearly shows that you really lack some knowledge regarding bus systems, smart homes, and their usage philosophy. There, you typically think and move in scenes, to which the lighting setup also belongs as a part. You don’t have to hold an iPad in your hand or do any acrobatics – you just rarely switch individual lights (but you can if you really want to). If you want to cook, you switch the "Cooking" scene with a normal switch, which switches and dims the stored lights, appliances, etc. accordingly. If you want to eat comfortably, you choose the "Eating" scene, and so on. It could actually be seen as a gimmick to think you have to individually control (switch) every single lamp at any time while actually you always use the same lights and dim levels in certain situations (aka scenes). That’s just totally silly Just giving you a different perspective...

There were some dark glossy tiles shown somewhere? Were those the ones to be laid? If so, you are aware that everything will be reflected in them? That creates absolute unrest.

I see it the same way, and I would pay special attention to that again. Imagine sitting on the porcelain and the ceiling spot shining straight into your face through the reflective surface. I also find ceiling spots in showers or above shower heads questionable. Don’t you risk being really stupidly blinded every time you wash your hair? The "pros" then position the spot right above an oversized rain shower head...at least that doesn’t blind...

Why do you all get so hung up on lamp shapes? Whether it’s a spotlight or a floor lamp, it’s purely a matter of taste. What’s important is the light that comes out. If you want a beam of light on the ceiling, it’s initially irrelevant whether a floor lamp, a wall lamp, or a spotlight from the floor produces it – why get so hung up on that? These are just different styles. One person likes light strips, another floor lamps ...

But here I see far too much spotlighting, which does not belong to proper room lighting.

Who decides what is too much and what is too little? Where is that defined?

A planned room lighting includes, among other things, main light as well as task, reading light, and indirect lighting.

We don’t need extra reading light. But nobody asked for it or suggested it anyway.

Indirect lighting will be implemented as needed after furnishing and moving in, when the lighting designer sees everything in the final stage. We have clearly established beforehand that we do not want drywall claddings to create indirect light in this way.

Maybe sometimes turn one off and the other on, but you probably don’t want to hear the blah blah.

That shows you have little knowledge of KNX. Switching lighting scenes is just a push of a button. If you don’t want that, that’s fine. But you don’t have to demonize other things because of that.

There were some dark high-gloss tiles shown somewhere? Are those the ones to be installed? If so, then you are aware that everything will be reflected in them? That creates absolute unrest.

Both lighting designers and also the tiler (who has proven good taste in multiple other projects) see no concerns here. I even asked specifically and showed large pictures. But now it’s worrying me again.

This is way too much theory for me, which is not lived at all because it just doesn’t click in your head that you now switch in the work process or life.

This is not theory. What nonsense. For example, today we have ceiling lights and a floor uplighter in the living room. Often, when we want to watch TV or sit comfortably on the couch, someone gets up, switches off the ceiling light, and turns on the floor uplighter. Why shouldn’t this be done with KNX automation in a more complex form, with more lights, dimming, etc.? I don’t understand.

Edit: most lamps have to result in a room like pictures and other decorations anyway.

Exactly, that’s why I don’t understand the complaints here about missing reading lights, indirect light, etc.


I wouldn’t write here if I weren’t looking for an exchange. But I find it a shame when things that were clarified with experts over hours of appointments are completely demonized in a few sentences in such a generalizing way. This contradicts itself to some extent in my view. You question the necessity of professional lighting planning on the one hand, but on the other hand find so many things that don’t fit. And you think that if I had done without the lighting designer, who is nonsense anyway, I would have perfectly designed it alone with my wife? I cannot go along with that.

I feel the same about the number of spots, I already said that. As far as I know, the lighting designer has nothing to do with the KNX planning.

Well, we like it with the spots. The lighting designer is not the electrician. But he is also familiar with KNX and knows about the installation at our place. He has set up his entire studio in KNX and switches all lights via a tablet during consultation. I also described to him which lighting scenes are desired in the individual rooms.

Regarding "many spots," I even considered removing wall lights and instead illuminating the area with spots. What bothers me, for example, is that in the living room you no longer have any chance to hang our pictures because of the wall lights. If you wanted to implement that, the lights would have to go and the pictures would also have to be illuminated from the ceiling.