Land prices and standard land value and tips for land search

As long as people here buy plots of land with houses on them (at corresponding prices) and then demolish the houses, I no longer believe in [Bodenrichtwerte].

As long as people here buy plots with houses on them (at corresponding prices) and then tear down the houses, I no longer believe in standard land values

BRW is also based on the past. With the constant development in the market, it is of little significance.

Banks use it when granting loans. I am curious what will happen if there is a real estate bubble and the land prices collapse. Will they then say, for example, at the end of 2021: Sure, we’ll take the BRW from 12/31/2020, even if it is twice as high as the current market price :-)

Since in one thread the picture of the tie-hiding SUV commuter was drawn:

One fellow discussant – I’m no longer sure if in the same thread – once put it differently: when he asks about properties, he probably parks his Düsseldorf company car out of sight. What it’s about is simply that the villagers have no desire for an influx of colonial-master-like city dwellers.

There are also some building gaps in the area, to whom they belong and whether they can be bought still needs to be found out somehow.

There is also plenty on that among my tips.

I admit it, we like to live in the countryside and be left alone. Shooting/carnival club, church and other traditional events are a horror for us,

Against the background that prices will probably continue to rise in the foreseeable future, and we are not getting younger either

Against the background that people will above all not get any smarter in the foreseeable future, prices will of course continue to rise: every buyer disliked by potential sellers drives the price expressed in money up. Rural living is not a one-way street. For those refusing village life, defensive prices are made.

Standard land values (BRW) are only something for the banks.

They are uninteresting for the purchase itself. They become all the more important the more concentrated it comes down to the fact that a personally still unknown customer from a bank outside the region of the property location is looking for a high-percentage financing: then the lending value to be estimated according to key figures should not also turn the little light red. If, out of ten available plots, the buyers signal that they have no arguments to sell to them besides money, four sellers simply close up and the buyers face only six plots in a correspondingly longer queue. This alone raises prices by about thirty percent.

We had hoped that searching for properties would be easier. Assuming a functioning (online) market was probably a bit naive...

Deep market objects never go online (never ever). Even broker objects only go online if both pre-market stages have not given positive feedback. In some portals you even find almost only objects from sleepy brokers who will never get queries from platinum clients.

I admit it, we like to live in the countryside and be left alone. Shooting/Carnival club, church and other traditional events are a nuisance to us

People like that are not wanted in the village. Firstly, they contribute nothing to village life (there’s always give and take) and then they might get annoyed about everything. The church bells are too loud, the farmer working at night, on Sundays or holidays is disturbing, or ... Village does not mean living peacefully in the countryside!

You do have to integrate a bit into the village, though, otherwise you won’t feel comfortable there in the long run and you won’t discover the advantages of village life (e.g., more mutual helpfulness). For example, I don’t have to buy a chainsaw here; I borrow one from the neighbor three houses down the road and return it clean with a six-pack attached...

Sure, but that doesn’t only apply to villages. Neighborly help and getting involved in village life is nice and all, but that has to grow first… I can hardly get involved in village life before I even live there. It’s a chicken and egg problem. And our search radius is relatively large; we can’t possibly become members of 10 volunteer fire departments at the same time just to have a chance at a property years from now, because only then would we no longer be the unwelcome outsiders.

Another discussant—I don’t remember exactly if in the same thread—once put it differently: when asking about properties, he’d better park his Düsseldorf company car out of sight. The issue is simply that the villagers don’t want an influx of colonial ruler-like city dwellers.

I can understand that, luckily that’s not really a problem for us. We are not like that, and we don’t look like that either.

Given the fact that people won’t be getting any smarter in the foreseeable future, prices will of course continue to rise: every buyer disliked by potential sellers drives the price, as expressed in money, higher. Country life is not a one-way street. You simply impose defensive prices on those who refuse village life.

Sounds harsh, backward, and maybe I’m wrong, but I think the villagers are shooting themselves in the foot with that, because in this way only people with deep pockets and SUVs can afford a property in the village. No, they don’t buy from the villagers then. They just have to wave bundles of euros in front of the heir who moved to Berlin 15 years ago to launch his start-up... For people like us who earn just above average (or average earners in general) nothing remains, and those would be the ones who are most likely to want and be able to contribute.

It’s not like there are no building plots available here. As I said, plenty of infill sites. The municipalities are not designating new development areas; the idea is to densify properly first before sealing more land...

They don’t want exactly those kinds of people in the village. First, they don’t contribute anything to village life (it’s always give and take) and might then get upset about everything. The church bells are too loud, the farmer working at night, on Sundays, or holidays is a nuisance, or … village does not equal living peacefully in the countryside!

We have absolutely nothing against engagement in the village community. Meaningful areas where one could contribute according to their possibilities for us would be, for example, the volunteer fire department, THW, neighborhood help associations, etc. We just don’t want to waste our time on (subjectively speaking) ridiculous and questionable traditional customs. We already live rurally, and that should stay that way. We’re used to church tower bells, tractor, and motorcycle noise on weekends and definitely don’t want to exchange that for big city noise.

Yeah, Bielefeld/Gütersloh. That’s exactly my area. I’ve also been searching for a while now in two cities in the Gütersloh district. You can only get (municipal) properties in both if you work there, live there, or have lived there. Then it’s decided by lottery. There’s nothing on the open market. Existing buildings are sold at top prices. The variety of well-established medium-sized companies is huge, some global players in the district, which doesn’t make it easier. As some have already written. There is plenty of money available.