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Joedreck

2020-07-02 14:07:11
  • #1


That's exactly what I find stressful. It shouldn’t be that all the money flows into the house SO THAT you can afford financial freedom and some comforts on the side (whether alone or as a family). But that’s very personal. I’ve never sat on a grimy balcony. Instead, I’ve stayed in pretty holiday homes. And where is life if you just sit at home for five years? Germany is beautiful, but a weekend trip can quickly cost 400€. Sure, hiking is nice and can be done at home. BUT it’s even nicer sometimes to be in other regions.
And slowly now: the Baltic and North Seas are NOT cheap, by the way. For less money, you can even fly to Turkey.
But it’s nice in winter to see real snow for a week. Or extend summer by a week. You don’t need Bali for that; even so, 2500€ can be spent on a week. Don’t feel like cooking after a long day? Of course, just sit down and be served. Or order in. Definitely better than canned ravioli or having to cook anyway.
All of that is quality of life for me personally. Who knows what will happen to me in five years?
 

Jean-Marc

2020-07-02 15:06:06
  • #2


It was never about staying at home for five years, but rather that it’s not “bad” to skip a year of traveling now and then. Anyone with an average income daring the adventure of building or buying a house in 2020 often just can’t avoid swallowing some toads. Although it depends on the viewer’s perspective whether two weeks of vacation consisting of holiday games, terrace, quarry lake, zoo, visiting relatives farther away, etc. is a toad at all.
I know, for quite a few people in our saturated society, the world collapses nowadays if they don’t see the sea or mountains one year and for whom a vacation like the one mentioned above would be horrible. But that is increasingly the reality or the sacrifice one must make to manage the jump into homeownership. Such things are normal today and not “bad”. I am somewhat surprised by such an attitude.
Some can’t even sit on the terrace or by the nearby lake while on vacation, but have to roll up their sleeves inside the house to save what was no longer available as a credit. That is normal and socially accepted too, so why shouldn’t a budget-friendly vacation on the terrace be acceptable?
 

pagoni2020

2020-07-02 15:26:15
  • #3

Yes, of course everyone decides that for themselves; luckily even.
Still, you describe it somewhat dramatically or extremely when you call it a “dingy balcony,” “sitting at home for five years,” or “canned ravioli” as opposed to a great Turkey holiday, real snow (does that still exist in Europe?), etc.
Just by probability, you are more likely to meet a dingy balcony on an all-inclusive holiday or sit five together in a so-called family room with a side sea view... obscured by the crane of the nearby construction site.
Of course, that is also an extreme portrayal, and if I’m often abroad I never need such money as you mention, and at home it’s always so nice that it’s hard to have it nicer elsewhere.
Therefore, I do NOT have to go away to have a good time, but I CAN if I feel like it. I also do NOT have to cook, I may and want to grill or cook something new together, and honestly I often have a problem nowadays when I am told that people want to go to a restaurant to finally not have to do the hard kitchen work on vacation. We all here have DISHWASHERS and the fanciest tools to really make the work easier. Cooking a few spaghetti in the evening or a salad or something else with little effort does not mean real kitchen stress.
But all of this is always very individual, which is why it would be a horror for me to fly with kids on school holidays for a hotel vacation to Turkey or anywhere else; but that’s always a question of character and luckily we are all different, otherwise as many people would be at the Northern Lights in Norway as at Ballermann or Waikiki Beach.
 

Joedreck

2020-07-02 20:22:21
  • #4


Please keep in mind that I didn’t start with the grimy balcony or with eating out. As a family, we often stay in holiday homes. I also like to cook very much and often.
But: if, for example, I like to go to the Harz Mountains with the family in winter, then a few hundred euros are quickly gone. Here a visit to the Christmas market, children going on the Brockenbahn, etc. It adds up. And I enjoy that just as much as the kids. Personally, I don’t want to give that up for a house.
Same goes for cooking. Sometimes I just don’t feel like cooking anything after 12 hours. Then I pre-order and pick up food. Also sometimes casually 40€. Give that up? No, why? Then I make compromises with the house.
I bought inexpensively within 40 km of Hanover. We have a similar income as the OP. But by compromising on location and layout, we only paid about 230,000€ total including renovation. We find it nice and sufficient. But we wanted to stay financially flexible to enjoy the nice things in life.
We simply don’t want to give up the aforementioned things. Others gladly do that for the house. We’re not willing to.
 

Ybias78

2020-07-02 20:43:25
  • #5


No question. The travel is


I lived in Goslar for 13 years and studied in Hanover (Leibniz University). Best regards

As many said, a house is nice and a luxury good, but you have to be aware that it also means sacrifice for average earners.
 

pagoni2020

2020-07-02 21:29:03
  • #6

So, I quoted the terms exactly as in your post, that’s what I referred to. You don’t have to explain yourself, and as far as I read, you do exactly what you enjoy. With that you are way ahead and doing absolutely right. If you could make manageable compromises regarding housing, that’s even better, because just spending money without any noticeable added value would be nonsense. I meant that sometimes it seems as if people without flight vacations or regular holidays have an inferior life. If they "suffer" under the house, they should stop doing that. But many find a new kind of well-being in their own fancy house, and that is just as good. For some, it’s just either-or, and I don’t find that bad at all, even right, because if you could always do everything, the path to decadence wouldn’t be far anymore. So, by no means do I want to criticize your life philosophy, how could I. But it is entirely your own, just as I or someone else has a completely different one again, because he loves collecting garden gnomes. If he likes what he does, I think that’s fantastic.
 

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