Smart home consultation new construction wireless

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T_im_Norden

2020-11-20 10:03:34
  • #1
Now specifically instead of using platitudes. How do you manage it so that the roller shutters don't come down and lock you out when you are outside?
 

Strahleman

2020-11-20 10:07:53
  • #2
Personally, it now makes my toenails curl when I hear that "Smart Home" is implemented with radio technology in a new building and at the same time Alexa or Google Home is mentioned. For me, that at most still has to do with ease of operation (although I will never understand why you tell Alexa what to do instead of just quickly pressing a button). I am by no means completely against radio technology, but all the restrictions (Actuator x can only be obtained with Z-Wave, Actuator y cannot be integrated into my Smart Home station, Button z has to be Enocean because otherwise batteries have to be replaced...). That would all be too prone to errors for me and reminds me more of a DIY project than a good overall concept. Especially when it really comes to a "smart" home, it becomes absolutely wild with radio technology. It is much more systematic and organized with KNX or other bus systems - but, of course, also a bit more expensive (although it really depends on the installer/integrator).
 

Alessandro

2020-11-20 10:21:08
  • #3
Radio has its justification. Especially when it comes to flexibility...

I have a stand-alone solution for:
Shading
Lighting
Irrigation

I don’t need heating because it’s too slow, and linking everything else together doesn’t make sense for me in a single-family house.
The fact that the slats of the blinds move according to the sunlight is just annoying!
Constant control is something nobody needs in a single-family house.

I would still like to know which applications in the smart home make life easier and make sense energetically.
Or put differently: Why should I spend 10% of the construction costs on a smart home?
 

Mycraft

2020-11-20 11:19:39
  • #4
Experience does not come for free and it’s not just about the picking. The architect doesn’t just give you a drawing and say "here you can build from this," usually they have more to do. Same here, the SI usually has not only the picking as a task but also the parameterization and the commissioning. If they are also a qualified electrical installer, then also the installation itself. The end devices are getting cheaper for that. Meanwhile we are at about 12 euros per switching channel with a powerful functional and logic package on the software side that not even Shelly can really keep up with anymore. The term smart home is simply overused and applied to anything that somehow has to do with remote controls. In the end, more or less true smart homes are in the single-digit percentage range among these. That’s why I, for example, always tend to speak of intelligent buildings as soon as it goes beyond the gimmicks you are talking about here. Hehe, yes, that’s then a smart home, right... TV says so, so it must be true. Radio works as a supplement. That basically says it all. You always have to consider the overall installation. Then it suddenly becomes obvious that radio is not the best thing and often ends up being more expensive. Not to mention all the problems and incompatibilities. As I said, it is useful as a supplement. But as long as the devices in the house need 230V to operate, it is not really complicated to lay a data cable alongside. You just have to remember it beforehand or pay someone who knows what they are doing and has an overview of the possibilities and doesn’t just work by rote. Surely, for the 2-3 variable things it is indeed practical. But as you wrote yourself, the light switch (in my opinion, though not in every room) will stay where it usually is. Also the sockets and yes, also the stove, dishwasher or heating and other building technology systems. So I see no advantage of radio here. The power cables have to go to the consumers anyway, so why not also the data. A positive side effect is that you eliminate the sometimes necessary batteries and other sources of error. Correct, typically the presence detector (if there is one) in the children’s or other bedrooms doesn’t necessarily switch the light on and off all the time. But the lights on the stairs, in the bathrooms or hallways can be fully automatic very well and can do much more than just on/off states without much effort. Sure, different rules apply in single-family houses. But here too there are plenty of recurring processes that can be automated. One presence detector, two door contacts and a bit of software logic. The processing of variables takes place in the motor itself. No, not for the vague "smart home" (whatever you imagine that to be). For the entire electrical trade including building automation. That is always very subjective and cannot be answered clearly. For that reason, it is partly quite expensive because you have to have many preliminary conversations to find out what needs and ideas the person has. Every single-family house is a custom job after all. You find, for example, the lamella tracking annoying. Others want exactly that in their single-family house and possibly other shading variants and options. It’s not like an office where you need certain lighting at certain times and occupational safety requires this and that and the 99% same routines happen every day.
 

Alessandro

2020-11-20 11:29:01
  • #5
On the topic of radio: When I think of autonomous window contacts/window handles, switches, sensors, and even valve actuators at EnOcean, I already save myself a lot of wiring and batteries. Sorry but you can't make smart home appealing to me ;) For what it offers, in my eyes it's simply too expensive a toy.
 

T_im_Norden

2020-11-20 11:31:57
  • #6
I thought so already that there would be nothing concrete again.
 

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