klblb
2014-09-15 13:37:58
- #1
Sliding doors into the pantry and the space problem is almost gone
Opinions, suggestions, and improvement proposals for planning
- Erstellt am 2014-09-11 23:33:14
ypg
2014-09-15 14:19:37
- #2
Sliding doors into the pantry and the space problem is almost gone
A door is a door and takes up floor space.
I would change the entire entrance area (outdoor, it’s also a small dark airlock) and also inside including pantry and cloakroom.
The biggest problem is not being able to reach living rooms directly, but this dark closet airlock that separates everything.
The architect will have to twist and shuffle things, whatever it takes. Even if the nice window in the baking area has to go – access is more important.
I won’t say anything more about the rest except: by now I have the third property. I would have been glad if people had pointed out to me that habits change and some rooms are replaced by others in the new property (here: rooftop terrace/garden).
Fundamentally, you like to go outside for fresh air right through the door that is closest to you.
Rooftop terraces have a big potential problem – if you like throwing money away, so be it, right ;)? At least you can show off: my rooftop terraces!
Of course, you can also modify the weak points in the design by expanding (another toilet, one more meter bigger).
Cleaning probably won’t be a problem here either?
flexistone
2014-09-17 23:25:55
- #3
Hello everyone,
attached are the revised drafts of the ground floor and upper floor.
We have tried to ease the entrance situation and make it friendlier. We moved the bicycle and trash room behind the garage, thus creating a wide entrance that can possibly also serve as a parking space for a third car. The front door was extended by adding another glass element - at the expense of a wardrobe cabinet. On the left side in the "hallway," the wall cheeks to the stairs were shortened to make the path appear friendlier and wider.
The kitchen unit at the back is 4.20 m wide, and on the right side there should be a "hidden" door to the pantry (I can’t remember the exact right word for the door anymore).
We took some space from the fitness room in order to still have some storage space - or should we better say a dust room - in the living room.
In addition, the ceiling on the ground floor towards the terrace was extended by 0.60 m. On the one hand, this provides a bit more shade in summer when the sun is high - on the other hand, it restores the children’s rooms to the originally planned size, and at the same time the built-in cupboards in the hallway can remain.
We also redesigned the dressing room and the bedroom. I know, not everyone likes an access to the large bathroom through the bedroom. But when we bathe the children, usually no one is sleeping in the bedroom. Also, the children will get older and can sometimes get in the tub by themselves if necessary. And then also go through the bedroom. The furnishings - that is, closets etc. - are to be seen symbolically for now and are not intended to represent final furnishing.
What do you think?
attached are the revised drafts of the ground floor and upper floor.
We have tried to ease the entrance situation and make it friendlier. We moved the bicycle and trash room behind the garage, thus creating a wide entrance that can possibly also serve as a parking space for a third car. The front door was extended by adding another glass element - at the expense of a wardrobe cabinet. On the left side in the "hallway," the wall cheeks to the stairs were shortened to make the path appear friendlier and wider.
The kitchen unit at the back is 4.20 m wide, and on the right side there should be a "hidden" door to the pantry (I can’t remember the exact right word for the door anymore).
We took some space from the fitness room in order to still have some storage space - or should we better say a dust room - in the living room.
In addition, the ceiling on the ground floor towards the terrace was extended by 0.60 m. On the one hand, this provides a bit more shade in summer when the sun is high - on the other hand, it restores the children’s rooms to the originally planned size, and at the same time the built-in cupboards in the hallway can remain.
We also redesigned the dressing room and the bedroom. I know, not everyone likes an access to the large bathroom through the bedroom. But when we bathe the children, usually no one is sleeping in the bedroom. Also, the children will get older and can sometimes get in the tub by themselves if necessary. And then also go through the bedroom. The furnishings - that is, closets etc. - are to be seen symbolically for now and are not intended to represent final furnishing.
What do you think?
ypg
2014-09-17 23:57:32
- #4
Did you miss something?
You still have to go through the terrible cloakroom airlock... to be able to take a break with your shopping bags at about 330 degrees (as seen from the entrance).
To clarify: you first walk in a circle to arrive (kitchen, center of the action).
Coffee machine + opened drink bottles still have no place.
The children's rooms are narrower, but they still have to gather their clothes in the hallway. At 16, they come out of the club at 12 and first walk past their sleeping parents to take a bath :D
However, there is enough storage space (built-in cupboards) for secret guests who have to wait for the airlock towards the exit to clear ;)
You still have to go through the terrible cloakroom airlock... to be able to take a break with your shopping bags at about 330 degrees (as seen from the entrance).
To clarify: you first walk in a circle to arrive (kitchen, center of the action).
Coffee machine + opened drink bottles still have no place.
The children's rooms are narrower, but they still have to gather their clothes in the hallway. At 16, they come out of the club at 12 and first walk past their sleeping parents to take a bath :D
However, there is enough storage space (built-in cupboards) for secret guests who have to wait for the airlock towards the exit to clear ;)
Manu1976
2014-09-17 23:58:42
- #5
Ah yes.
I like the bedroom situation much better now than before. I also think it's good that there is more space in front of the house.
BUT! You can make your entrance area completely out of glass, it brings you NOTHING, ZERO, in the airlock area of the wardrobe. Light has the habit of not going around corners and certainly not at 90 degrees. With that, you only illuminate about the front third of the wardrobe, no matter how much glass you cram into the entrance. To get by in the wardrobe during the day without artificial light, you have to install a window there. My suggestion would be to have your beloved built-in wardrobes on one side and lower cabinets with a narrow, raised strip of light on the other side. That way you still have enough storage space, but also light. Another suggestion: move this glass element to the back of the entrance area towards the wardrobe and divide the wardrobe: 2 cabinets on the right, 1 cabinet on the left of the glass element. That gives you 1. light and 2. you get much more of this beautiful glass element, because you then see it not only when you go to the toilet or enter the front door, but also from the living room area.
In the living area, you’ve only created space for cabinets. In the kitchen area, that’s certainly very sensible, but where the piano is, more space brings you nothing—except even more storage.
Somehow I have the feeling you live inside a cabinet. Your whole house somehow consists only of cabinets and storage space. That is a shame, a very big shame. You could get so much out of this house if only you could do without all these (built-in) cabinets.
I like the bedroom situation much better now than before. I also think it's good that there is more space in front of the house.
BUT! You can make your entrance area completely out of glass, it brings you NOTHING, ZERO, in the airlock area of the wardrobe. Light has the habit of not going around corners and certainly not at 90 degrees. With that, you only illuminate about the front third of the wardrobe, no matter how much glass you cram into the entrance. To get by in the wardrobe during the day without artificial light, you have to install a window there. My suggestion would be to have your beloved built-in wardrobes on one side and lower cabinets with a narrow, raised strip of light on the other side. That way you still have enough storage space, but also light. Another suggestion: move this glass element to the back of the entrance area towards the wardrobe and divide the wardrobe: 2 cabinets on the right, 1 cabinet on the left of the glass element. That gives you 1. light and 2. you get much more of this beautiful glass element, because you then see it not only when you go to the toilet or enter the front door, but also from the living room area.
In the living area, you’ve only created space for cabinets. In the kitchen area, that’s certainly very sensible, but where the piano is, more space brings you nothing—except even more storage.
Somehow I have the feeling you live inside a cabinet. Your whole house somehow consists only of cabinets and storage space. That is a shame, a very big shame. You could get so much out of this house if only you could do without all these (built-in) cabinets.
ypg
2014-09-18 00:05:53
- #6
... You could get so much out of this house if you just gave up all those (built-in) cabinets.
No! A few built-in cabinets are actually very nice, I find planned shelves next to a fireplace really commendable, I also like built-in cabinets in a hallway as a wardrobe and doors that are disguised as built-in cabinets (like here probably in the kitchen for the pantry) are amazing! <3
But it has to fit - and here they are installed negatively! The house is cluttered with too many BICs!
Built-in cabinets support minimalism, but here it already tends towards austerity and - I’ll provoke a bit - hoarding syndrome :D