Floor plan of a single-family house with basement, 150 sqm, only single-story allowed

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K a t j a

2024-11-27 22:13:10
  • #1
I had figured out something like this while playing around:




with a large hallway on the upper floor - as far as I know, the Scandinavians quite like that. If that's not Nordic...

What does the woman wish for? Do you have an example picture?
 

11ant

2024-11-27 22:48:28
  • #2

Oh, as soon as I read "iteration," I know: here one "plans" according to the "Infinite Monkey" method...

...which in any case leads to countless "loops" (and to a "result" of the kind "Patchpatchpatch" (i.e., the opposite of Clean Code). The effect is by the way identical to that in software. The record for loops is, as far as I know, held by Princess ;D

Then the wife should not look at floor plan alternatives or their interim results, but rather express her wishes and critiques in a form she finds more pleasant / suitable.

If an unnecessary room is found when tidying up the plan, then it simply doesn’t go into another draft (or is lost automatically anyway in a fresh start).
 

GeraldG

2024-11-27 23:01:03
  • #3
However, there were points that argued against the house as it is:

    [*]Two-story (town hall excludes that we are allowed to do that, even though a two-story building was allowed directly next to us. We are locally the first in the corner who must build single-story (the Knödellinie runs in between))
    [*]Inside were too many rooms for us; we preferred larger rooms (11 sqm for the children is quite small when they get older), I would do the home office on the ground floor or in the basement. Better for the children to have the nicer view, since we really only use the bedroom for sleeping; the teenagers (that will take a while) will probably be in their rooms more often.

My wife's wishes: kitchen on the right side, living room on the left side (as seen from the street). We have neighbors only on the right and on the left there is initially no one "in sight" who wants to build there. And they should see us more while cooking than in the living room.
At the same time, we were advised against the central bay window at the back because of the sun (actually by several companies before we decided on the current contractor). It splits the terrace. This was then always pushed more to the north so that you have one coherent terrace. This is usually impractical since the table actually fits nicely between kitchen and living room there.
My wish (since I am not the shortest) was to get the knee wall quite high. With the 30° roof pitch, it takes a while until you can stand there.
For the shower, I would like solutions where you don’t have to clean so many panes.

We actually don’t need a walk-in closet, but my wife wants it and wants to outfit it with cabinets so that all kinds of bed linen and stuff currently still in our wardrobe can be stored there. It’s rather an extended wardrobe plus storage room for foldable items. She is quite stubborn about that. She does not want an extra storage room, however. My suggestion, instead of the walk-in closet upstairs to make a kids’ bathroom (currently we have all clothes, bed linen, rarely worn clothes, etc. in a 2.6 m long wardrobe), and reduce it to only a toilet on the ground floor, so that perhaps next to the pantry there might also be a broom closet, was also rejected by her.
She doesn’t like in your proposal that the door is next to the bay window. (I would have even placed it on the side, then the entrance would be less convoluted.) But she would accept that (since it is symmetrical with the windows on the other side). She is a big fan of the hallway in your proposal. I personally am rather practical and want it to be as small as possible (without it, of course, feeling oppressive).

We still have to look at your new proposal in more detail. Overall, the house is now quite long (plot is 18 m wide and we have to keep 3 m distance on the right and left), upper floor without walk-in closet or other additional storage space, but with generous rooms. The ground floor makes the living room and dining room now look smaller, so spontaneously I would still tend to the first one (among all proposals).
 

ypg

2024-11-27 23:31:03
  • #4

But they get nothing from it. I don’t know any child who enjoys the beautiful landscape or the view. As playing and school-age children they need brightness, prefer playing instead of looking out the window, and later, as you constantly read here, the blinds are more often closed than open – even during the day.

Rather realistic, if you think about the ceilings and laundry of the family.

However, one should not forget that you are planning a basement for storage. While the broom should rather be stored on the ground floor, the mop as well or in the upper floor, all foldable seasonal and change items could go into the basement.

The design is more symmetrical than yours. In your case, the door is not centered and is very prominent in the bay window, the windows are not either.
 

11ant

2024-11-27 23:40:43
  • #5

According to the website, however, the core aura is already "two-story" in almost all federal states at 40°DN / knee wall height 75.

If you have a wife who "has a lot of clothes but wants to keep them out of sight," then the planner (or better: an architect) has to deal with that. The requirements specification of the design development therefore needs categories "boss's orders" and "boss's prohibitions." Then I also understand the basement, you probably need a man cave and "hobby room" means "zone where everything may lie around messily." But the basement still remains expensive, and I don't have to repeat myself about the symmetry.

I don't see any causal connection between walk-in closet and children's bathroom, but now that you mention children's bathroom, I have to smile: a significant part of Shiny's "loops" (which I think I stopped following around post 480 of the main thread) went on that account.

If the Knödel line really only has to be shifted around your property and your house should—while maintaining a non-villa body—only be legally two-story, I see good chances for an exemption. However, this urgently needs to be clarified (also here the architect will have a better connection to the authority than a draftsman). So it is already coming back to bite you during the building inquiry to have so far dispensed with a proper preliminary design. Do you now recognize the advantages of my supposedly old-fashioned approach?
 

GeraldG

2024-11-27 23:49:13
  • #6

Both need space and unfortunately the space is limited :)


I had already clarified that at the town hall. They are actually quite "liberal" with changes or exemptions here. The lady said that practically no exemption is granted for the number of floors, and since in the "text preceding the development plan" (forgot the word) there is explicitly a justification for the single-story design, she ruled it out.
 

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