Floor plan/Floor plan ideas single-family house 180m², 3 children's rooms

1. consider where the shoes should be stored.
For children, several shoes come into play during the season, so not just 2 pairs, as it seems to be the case with men.

Yes, 3 pairs. "Normal" shoes, winter boots/sandals and rubber boots. They are each smaller than adult shoes. I see no need for more shoes. But I myself also don’t have more in regular use, although I am a woman. Maybe that’s why.

To be honest, that is a difficult point. So far, I have also agreed with Kekse’s view. Children’s clothes are smaller and the shoes don’t take up that much space. Still, I don’t want a "junk corner" under the stairs, so there should be enough space. I have to think about this with my wife.

2. (Size LR) Why bigger than in my drawing? I didn’t change the LR, only made the kitchen deeper. For that, a pantry is lost in length, so it is shortened.
And I don’t think you are mentally fixed on 11 meters. You don’t have to be. A kitchen must be ergonomically operable. This is not achieved by length, but by an effective working triangle (storage, preparation, cooking).
So it really doesn’t matter whether it ends up 9 or 11 meters in total length. What matters is that the room layout feels generous and also works well.

I am now simply afraid that the shortening will make the room feel less spacious. I agree with you completely that it is actually a sensible plan change. Even though I would not use the room behind the kitchen as a backup kitchen… at least not if I can sell our current kitchen to the next tenant.

We also have such a bay window in the living room, but behind it is the kitchen, not the living room. As your living room furniture is drawn, you don’t even see the beautiful glazed bay, and the U-shaped kitchen doesn’t fit into such an open floor plan either; the space for the kitchen is far too long. Have you seen the Vio from Fingerhaus in Frechen? There is also a bay (though only a small one), and the living room is nice and spacious, or the Vio in the model house exhibition in Mannheim? There you can see the entire room while sitting on the sofa.

The furniture is not supposed to be arranged as drawn; I have to revise that to make it clearer. The sofa will probably be rotated 90 degrees and placed in the lower right corner so that you can both watch TV and look outside. However, the sofa is so deep that the dining table in the bay will probably block the view anyway.

If money doesn’t matter, don’t ruin the property with such a bungler! If I as a layperson just move the stairs to the other side (mirror the upper floor accordingly), it results in a gain in living space and kitchen - it should become clear that the initial design cannot have come from a real architect.

Just because I wrote "irrelevant" in the list doesn’t mean money doesn’t matter to us; I wish it were so.
I only wanted to express that it’s just about shifting walls etc. and that this causes no additional costs. Therefore, from my point of view, the total price for the house is "irrelevant" for the discussion.

Regarding your suggestion:
That is indeed a good idea, to move the stairs to the other side, mirror the upper floor plan and thus create access to the guest room under the stairs; I will take that up, many thanks!

By the way, I can’t tell you who planned the floor plan. I will clarify that with our building specialist on Thursday.

Best regards

derJohnson

Just because I wrote "irrelevant" in the list, it doesn't mean that money doesn't matter to us, I wish it were so

What a pity.

carry out the access to the guest room under the stairs,

The door is in front of the stairs.

Forget about the idea of doing all sorts of things under the stairs. Almost nothing happens under the stairs, and especially not under this spiral staircase – not even a wardrobe.

If I understand correctly, you actually want something else. An airlock from the garage, which preferably passes by the utility room and ideally ends up in the wardrobe, which is then easily accessible from the entrance and large enough. Also, it would be good if the utility room is accessible from the kitchen as well. Correct?

This extension at the entrance – is that your idea or another desperate act by the "architect"?

Yes, I was already typing while you replied, which is why your changed floor plan slipped past me. And the door in front of the stairs only came to mind after I had already clicked on "Create response"^^

Hm no, no airlock.

The plan is that you arrive from the garage, for example, directly with groceries in the large utility room of the house. There you can then put various items directly into the small shelves located there. That’s also why there is access from the kitchen directly to the utility room. Our heating system is practically non-existent due to the local heating network. We only need about a ~200l water tank. Otherwise, our heating system consists only of 2 small pipes.
Because of the saved space, we also wanted to use the utility room as a small storage room so that we don’t have to store all kinds of stuff like water crates directly in the kitchen, but also don’t have to run every time through the garage to the larger storage room "over there" to fetch water.

The cloakroom nearby is for the reason that when I have taken off my shoes in the utility room, I don’t have to walk through the kitchen and living room to put them in their designated place.

Yvonne’s suggestion to relocate it was very nice, and I will take that into consideration.

Although the free space created by your suggestion really creates a lot of room.

Edith says:

The extension was completely our idea. On one hand for aesthetic reasons from the outside and on the other because we thought the bathroom was nicely accommodated in a gable.

But what do you mean by wasting space on the upper floor? I actually thought it was pretty good so far, even through my much worse layman's perspective than yours.

Best regards

derJohnson

Edith says:

The porch is entirely our idea. On the one hand for aesthetic reasons from the outside, and on the other because we found the bathroom nicely accommodated in a gable.

Ok, I don’t think that’s wrong either. However, I don’t understand why you leave the lower part open with two such massive walls. I would close it at the bottom too – if you want it anyway. And then you already have a gigantic entrance area with plenty of possibilities for coat racks, etc.
An architect could really go wild there – that would be a party, I think.

But what do you mean by wasted space on the upper floor? I actually thought it was pretty good so far, even through my even worse layman’s perspective than yours.

On the upper floor, the kids constantly have to dance around the stairs. That’s no drama, but it would annoy me. Ideally, the stairs would have their winding not at the top, but at the bottom on the ground floor. If they arrive straight at the top, the hallway gets even smaller. It also places the hallway under the ridge. Both kids’ rooms then receive the same closet niche and the size adjustment becomes easier.

Just a hint:


But these are details.

I don't find the garage situation really satisfactory either. Can you give precise information about the buildable plot width again? The number is smudged right over in the sketch and I'm also not sure whether that is the entire plot width or only the buildable width.

Ok, I don't think that's wrong either. However, I don't understand why you leave the part below open with 2 such massive walls. I would then also close it at the bottom - if you want it anyway. And then you already have a gigantic entrance area with plenty of possibilities for wardrobes, etc.
An architect could really have fun with that - that would be a blast, I think.

That is also intentional on our part so that we have a sheltered entrance area and are not standing in the rain, or visitors standing in the rain when they ring our doorbell.
The option was either to leave out the third gable and instead make some kind of canopy over the front door, or the currently planned design.
Firstly, I wouldn't find it so nice if we now bring the entrance back to the front only to put a roof over it again, and secondly, setting the entrance back is cheaper than the canopy.
Sure, we now have 2 sqm less living space, but with your change to the stairs we've already got that three times over again.

So the buildable width is basically 14 meters (20m minus 2 x 3m distance from neighboring plots).
Garages may be built on the boundary as long as they do not have a gable roof or are simultaneously used as a balcony or similar.

The restriction comes less from the buildable width, but from the buildable depth.
We have to keep 3 meters away from the street with the building.
At the corner where the garage is, however, it is about 6 meters that we must keep away from the street.

But that played very much into my hands for reasons already mentioned, because then I have my two parking spaces required by the development plan (1. garage, 2. in front of the garage), and on the other hand, we wanted the protected terrace area at the back anyway.

Perhaps an addition to that:
Our terrace should not consist exclusively of the piece between the conservatory and the garage.
We are currently even considering building the terrace around the corner due to the south-facing location.

Upstairs, the kids always have to dance around the stairs. That's not a drama, but it would annoy me. Ideally, the stairs wouldn't spiral at the top, but at the bottom on the ground floor. If they come straight at the top, the hallway gets a bit smaller. In addition, that conveys the hallway under the ridge. The children's rooms then both get the same closet recess and adapting the sizes will be easier.

Basically a very good idea too, but then either my stairs at the bottom on the ground floor protrude into the room, or if I carry out the spiral basically within the width of the stairs, the stairs would have to be longer, which would mess up the layout upstairs again.
A third possibility is to start the stairs right at the front door and put the door to the guest room under the stairs after all.

Best regards

derJohnson