Floor plan - 135 sqm, 1.5 storeys, gable roof

As it currently stands, we have about 68sqm available on the ground floor and then less on the upper floor if you look at the pure living area. The calculation is based on the net living area (so roughly speaking the floor area – and that adds up to 135sqm together.

Where is that stated? What are you referring to?

because it does not correspond to the customary local development.

Based on what you have posted here, my suggestion fits.
What are you withholding from us here?

Are you now referring to the one proposal from the developer? He surely has other alternatives ready.

btw: I was too tired for the upper floor now

Unfortunately, I am too now.

I can't really follow that: why should statics have a problem with a gable-side entrance?

It was more referring to the entire floor plan. As I said, I am not an architect, I have no idea what else I should pay attention to.

Where does it say that? What are you referring to?

To our contract with the developer and the financing statement.

Based on what you posted here, my suggestion fits. What are you withholding from us here?

I am not withholding anything. Unlike you, I can walk around and see that there are no terraced buildings there (if that’s what you meant) and that something like that would probably not be approved in the building application if the requirement is "like neighboring buildings/customary for the location."

I think Yvonne rather meant to basically make the ground floor larger and plan living/dining/cooking/guest and reading/small bathroom/house technology there and then use a rather steeper gable roof with a 120 cm knee wall (22 to 25°) and accommodate sleeping/dressing/large bathroom in the standing area there. Because you have not given any details about the necessary pitch of the gable roof.

Whereas the house price 240,000 and your wishes actually do not quite match the room program. Because what you have listed are definitely more than 120/130 sqm. The planner house in the first post has 120 sqm of living space. And you can see how small the rooms are in part. The dressing room is hardly usable and offers little closet space etc.

And unfortunately dimensions are still missing on the site plan. Does the house have to be built so far forward by the street? It is really like this: if you want to deal with a SENSIBLE planning and idea, then you need ALL information about the plot.


Will the shed at the end of the newly planned access road for the rear building be demolished?

I think Yvonne meant rather to generally make the ground floor larger and plan living/dining/cooking/guest and reading/small bathroom/house technology there and then use a rather pitched gable roof with a 120 cm knee wall (22 to 25°) and accommodate sleeping/dressing/large bathroom in the standing area.

Yes, and as I said, the area is calculated according to net living area. That means, if I enlarge the area downstairs - let's say to 90 sqm or something like that, then I have an upper floor with a floor area of also 90 sqm - whether usable or not. And then I come to 180 sqm net living area. Contractually agreed are 135 sqm net living area.

I am unsure how it behaves if you insert a knee wall - so like a dry wall/additional wall on the roof side. Does what lies behind still count as net living area (I fear yes)? ... I'll ask about that...

Because you have given no information about the necessary pitch of the gable roof.

Yes, 35-55 degrees.

The planner house in the first post has 120 sqm living area.

Correct, because living area is lost in the upper floor due to the knee wall. As I said before, we originally planned a city villa or bungalow - nothing with a knee wall. Here, net living area was practically the same as living area. Because we did not get the original plot at the last minute (notary appointment was already scheduled and thus also the financing), we now had to redesign everything and try to stay within the framework of the existing financing and the contract.

Does the house have to be built so far forward near the street?

I assume so. It is like that for the neighboring buildings. In the statute, it is not specifically stated from my point of view, but rather "customary for the location" - and there all the houses stand very far forward, mostly directly on the path (without a fence or the fence is designed as an extension of the front house wall).

Is the shed at the end of the newly planned access road for the rear building going to be demolished?

Yes, that is a big residential/construction trailer. It will be removed.

It is really the case that if you want to deal SENSIBLY with a plan and idea, you need ALL information about the plot.

I understand that. It is also okay if no help is possible at the moment. As soon as I have any relevant information, I will share it with you. We don’t own the plot yet, no surveyor has been there etc. The notary appointment is in two weeks...

If I had known from the beginning that I would build with a knee wall, I would have done exactly as Yvonne suggested (larger area downstairs and only a few rooms upstairs). But I can ask again.

You have 69.5 sqm of living space in Contribution 1 below and 55 sqm on the upper floor.

What does agreed mean to be 135 sqm?

Can the knee wall be up to 120 cm or does it have to be?

I hope you collect all these questions to post the answers someday in ONE contribution together with the site plan, building dimensions, etc.

Unlike you, I can walk around and see that there are no staggered buildings (if this is what you meant)

Did I write anything about staggered buildings?
I am still the one who has advocated for the preservation of the village character

Contractually agreed are 135 sqm net living space.

I don’t understand the contractual construct that you agree on the square meters in the contract and cannot deviate from it. Setting aside your own budget.

If I had known from the beginning that I was building with knee walls, I would have done exactly as Yvonne suggested (larger area below and only a few rooms above). But I can inquire again.

As I already said: Normally you can change the house arbitrarily. Only the building regulations limit the choice.
My budget also limits it.

At the moment I don’t know what kind of contractual construct this is supposed to be.
And don’t take it amiss if I can’t believe some of it:
You don’t even know the exterior dimensions of the plot but you’re talking about a contractual limit on the living space.
The start here was also rather sluggish – first no info, because supposedly there is none, then a whole catalogue of restrictions...

It currently seems to me that you won’t become builders yourselves, but that the BT prescribes the house to you.
The question is whether you are being restricted or if you simply don’t know any better.