Difficult Plot and Monument - §34

  • Erstellt am 2025-02-11 21:44:51

K a t j a

2025-02-16 09:23:22
  • #1

That was my first thought, yes.

What exactly are the requirements for the existing building? Does it have to be renovated at all, or is it only not allowed to be demolished?
 

buttyhome

2025-02-16 10:06:46
  • #2
It can also be left as uninhabitable. But of course, ownership also entails obligations. Eventually, there will be problems with vacancy and monuments are not allowed to decay either. I would find it a pity not to use it.
 

buttyhome

2025-02-16 10:10:12
  • #3
May I ask what worries you the most? The slope? The buildability? The costs for the restoration of the monument? Something that I do not know about yet?
 

K a t j a

2025-02-16 11:04:42
  • #4

First of all, always whether the money will be enough. But even Rockefeller would consider how to proceed strategically in the best way. You should always focus on the must-haves first. Although the plan is made for the entire property, outbuildings and Pfirlefans come last.
I would only clear out the monument and secure it against any potential damage (roof, moisture). Otherwise, it stands well and can look nice until it's its turn.

I wouldn't attach the new house either but plan it as a separate freestanding object. At least depending on what the area and setback rules allow. I haven't looked that closely yet.
There are several reasons for this. First, you are on the slope. Building somewhere there always causes trouble with the heights. Second, the materials will almost certainly not match. Both visually and technically, that would be an unnecessary hassle. Third, an insulated construction would be advantageous in case you want to rent out the monument at some distant point in the future, in order to preserve the privacy of the rest of the property.

Therefore, in your place, I would certainly create an overall plan to represent the final division of the property with all paths, parking spaces, etc. But for the actual construction, I would initially focus only on the new main house and optimize it. Just the demolition/disposal and preparing the building site probably costs around 60K already. Of course, it's hard to estimate. If it gets complicated or ugly materials are found, it can be even more expensive. If you're lucky, it can also be cheaper.
Add to that the presumably 3-story construction, slope stabilization, possible development work, all contingencies regarding water from above, below, and through piping, zoning plan requirements, and property work. We don't know your needs that precisely yet either. Depending on the region, the 700K are already completely spent on the main house including garden.
 

haydee

2025-02-16 11:42:03
  • #5
My thoughts

The outbuilding must be preserved, so a use in the medium term would be sensible.
Study, older children, renting out on AirBnB. In Sweden, we have often lived in a small outbuilding.

Demolition – talk to several companies. Back then, we had offers starting at 100k. In the end, we were at 42k including disposal of everything. One point for cost savings was that we had time. We didn’t say it must be demolished in November, but that the ground slab would come in March, so it had to be cleared by then. He also took his time and sent people as they were available.
By the way, we demolished much more than you intend to.

We also have a slope. Everyone agreed not to touch the slope. It is a bit steeper than yours and above it there is still a road. Slope stabilization costs money and a residual risk remains.
The old retaining walls are still standing today. We placed the house in front of them.

What is legally possible is up to your architect. I don’t think his proposal is bad.
 

buttyhome

2025-02-16 12:06:17
  • #6
I can understand all the arguments well. But I would bite the bullet and take care of the monument right away (whether for personal use, renting, freestanding, etc.). It will come up sooner or later anyway. Let's see how the interest rates develop. Since I expect higher inflation, they probably won't fall anytime soon...
 

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