Are marine exhibitions generally very expensive?

Greatest transparency, no confusing mixed calculation: then you are probably well taken care of with an architect's house.

However, you want the "comfort" with a general contractor, and you sign the contract for work with the construction service specification, which includes the service of the sanitary trade.

And then there is the shell construction, less money is available, you get the starting signal to please choose between the mentioned sanitary series, and suddenly you no longer understand the "comfort" at all, because you look, let yourself be dazzled by all the bling-bling, and get this damn expensive stuff cheaper online.

Anyone who believes they get more service at Reuter or Amazon should do so, but don't be surprised if there are disadvantages with the general contractor, e.g. minimal billing.

As for the external craftsmen that Reuter and co have in their database, I'll say nothing. Anyone can register as a Hei-o-pei to fill such empty order books.

then I'm curious who will take over the coordination of the Sanitäre from Reuter and the GU tiler. And when there's a burst pipe, whether Rohr-Sanitär or Reuter.de Sanitär will take the blame^^

yes, it's a risk, even if everyone says, yeah no

I already had water damage after 1.5 years

Oh man.
If there is a pipe burst, then the person who messed up just has to take responsibility.

If I have everything done by the plumber up to the shut-off valve, that is the delivery limit.
If I then hang up the bowl myself and there is a pipe burst in the wall, where is the problem then?

If the fitting is leaking because I messed up, where is the problem?

In the first case, the plumber is responsible for the warranty, in the latter case it was my own fault.

The great thing about piping networks is that you can trace their course very precisely and thus clearly define a delivery limit.

And it is also clear that no plumber or tiler is liable if I break a tile or drill into a pipe while drilling for the washbasin.

then I’m curious who will take over the coordination of the sanitary from Reuter and the general contractor tiler. And if there is a burst pipe, whether the pipe plumber or Reuter.de sanitary will take the blame ^^

yes, it’s a risk, even if everyone says, yeah no

I already had water damage after 1.5 years

I believe that general contractors like to make a fuss when it comes to subcontracting. Only the question of why you should perhaps get explained by the general contractor and ask him how architects manage to build houses with bathrooms AND tiles... because actually, it can’t be coordinated unless one general contractor controls everything...

It seems to me that you haven’t really dealt with the counterarguments, because why should Reuter be liable if your hired plumber does a poor job? Why should the plumber who screwed on the basin be responsible if the pipe inside the wall breaks? Seriously, why?

Regardless, you’re moving in highly speculative territory. You speculate, as I understand it, about what could happen if you had the case you have now with, for example, Reuter. But that leads nowhere... because first, you didn’t sign the contract with Reuter, but still with the local plumber. So it’s no different than if you were outfitting your bathroom with new porcelain in 10 years. Or do you call the general contractor then and ask for the plumber who did the installation 10 years ago?!

You built with a general contractor yourself and now have water damage after 1.5 years, right? So what did choosing the general contractor plumber bring you to avoid the damage?

Could it be that some people reflexively write against something they don’t even know?! Just for information, Reuter.de for example also has a store and showroom in Düsseldorf – and not even a small one...

Why does nobody actually address the electrician analogy and the two or three concrete questions about exactly where the problem lies with installing standardized parts? Maybe because no arguments come to mind?

, who said anything about “stingy is cool”? Nobody, quite the opposite. The plumber’s work should be appropriately and fairly paid, no one has claimed otherwise.

If for you the service of the plumber and the comfort of getting everything from a single source (which I personally do not see or need, for example) is worth a surcharge, that’s fine. But I find it problematic to accuse people who are not willing to pay for such things because they don’t need them of having a stingy-is-cool mentality. And to fantasize pseudo-scenarios of sloppy work that only happen with other (cheaper) plumbers to justify the higher costs afterwards or to convince yourself that it couldn’t be done any other way is quite adventurous.

You see added value for yourselves and are willing to pay extra for it. Others and I either don’t see the value or aren’t willing to pay for it. And now that’s reprehensible? I don’t get it...

Well, that's what you do. Software people, business economists, and so on want to play smart shopper... and when the general contractor or their subcontractors get fed up, they just work a bit slower, or sometimes not at all, there are better customers who aren’t so irritating, and on the 1st Mr. Smarty has to move out of his ex house/ his rented apartment, and construction service descriptions are flexible, and legal processes slow, and letters go back and forth with deadlines, otherwise there’s a withholding, he doesn’t give a damn about that, and the move falls through and the move out quickly goes into the next expensive holiday apartment... We have neighbors like that... the general contractor once also showed them who’s boss, simply didn’t deliver any heating, the 15 withholding doesn't bother him at all. None was delivered, but the move was unpostponable and the next best plumber and heating engineer around the corner quickly made a small lucrative side business, then there’s no more time for lots of comparisons, then only: Can you do next week? Please please! Yes, we’re not inhuman, I’ll squeeze you in, but my price is xy.
Saved 100 euros on the toilet bowl.... Karsten

Karsten, I usually like reading your comments and often agree with them. But here, I think you are going too far.

Firstly, no one talked about the heating here, but about sanitary fittings and only about the objects themselves. Secondly, you don’t always have to like everything just because it has always been done that way.

Why should I simply accept such outrageous markups, as are now normal in the sanitary industry, WITHOUT anyone who profits from it explaining why that is?

I pay my sanitary installer for heating/ventilation/sanitary just under 40k€. The delivery limit is either the surface-mounted connection (showers), the flush tank (toilet), or the angle valves. I also have him do the heating completely, as well as the ventilation.

The bathtub is also installed completely.

What’s the problem? I can’t relate to mixed calculations and won’t accept that as an argument.

Apart from that, I agree with you that it’s not exactly nice to first secure the comfort with a general contractor at signing, but then not want to pay for it.

That’s why from the start only building with an architect was an option for me. Whether for electrical or sanitary work. I would never have managed that with a general contractor. But I have also spent countless hours informing myself and learning so that I don’t look like a fool when the installer asks me how I want something done.