Terraced house near Stuttgart, need support

  • Erstellt am 2022-02-13 21:41:16

RMH Fabi

2022-03-07 22:47:26
  • #1
Yes, what can I say, you're right.
We are now right in the middle. Financing basically clarified very worst case scenario. So check.
We are now becoming more and more concrete, it is really amazing what we had not thought of yet.
The floor plan is also taking final shape.
We are working on a kind of building application folder so that when we are ready, we can really get comparable offers.
But what is really crazy is to distinguish what each house builder offers you.
What and how detailed. Here an Excel table is probably needed to be able to differentiate and a lot of construction and service descriptions have to be read.
Just trying to compare the wall structure in timber frame construction or to find information on the internet is incredibly time-consuming and practically impossible.

Currently, this is our project:

What is still missing?
Where can money be saved?
Carport yes, will probably be a kit.
Photovoltaic system?
Does it make sense to request the basement ourselves?

Floor plan house 7m x 11m

Eaves height 6.6m

Ridge height 10.8m

Basement, ground floor, upper floor and attic, attic optionally finished

Entrance is in the basement

Basement -> Basement at floor level:

Entrance area south side
[INDENT

      [*]Hall with wardrobe
      [*]Tiled
      [*]Underfloor heating
    [/INDENT]
    Office facing south with window

      [*]Vinyl or laminate floor
      [*]Underfloor heating

    Heating room & laundry northwest side

      [*]Heat air heat pump with split unit
      [*]Tiled
      [*]Large sink

    Room for tools, workbench / storage northeast side

      [*]Light well
      [*]No underfloor heating
      [*]Not tiled

    Optional WC

    Total basement costs

    Ground floor:

      [*]Kitchen north side with kitchen island
      [LIST]
      [*]Tiled
      [*]Separated by large sliding glass door to living-dining area
      [*]Underfloor heating

    [*]Terrace north side

      [*]Sliding door

    [*]Pantry near kitchen

      [*]Underfloor heating not required
      [*]Vinyl/laminate

    [*]Guest WC

      [*]Underfloor heating

    [*]Living-dining room south side

      [*]Vinyl floor
      [*]Underfloor heating
      [*]Exit from living room to carport possible if later a balcony is built on the carport - sliding door
      [*]Window seat to south side


Upper floor:

Complete underfloor heating

    [*
      Bedroom north side
      [LIST]
      [*]Vinyl
      [*]Floor-to-ceiling windows

    [*]Bathroom north side

      [*]Bathtub
      [*]Walk-in shower without shower wall
      [*]Towel warmer
      [*]WC
      [*]2 wash basins
      [*]Tiled

    [*]2 equal-sized children's rooms south side

      [*]Prefer children’s rooms larger and bedroom smaller
      [*]Floor-to-ceiling windows

    [*]1 small storage room/walk-in closet

Attic

    [*
      Stairs to attic
      [*]Options listed individually in offer
      [LIST]
      [*]2 windows
      [*]Underfloor heating
      [*]Insulation


Other options listed individually including costs:

    [*
      Painting and wallpapering work
      [*]Filling work
      [*]Knee wall for max. ridge height
      [*]Underfloor cooling
      [*]Air source heat pump -> exchanger outside north side
      [*]Photovoltaic system
      [*]Photovoltaic ready
      [*]Preparation for electric car charging station
      [*]Laundry chute from upper floor bathroom to basement
      [LIST]
      [*]up to attic

    [*]Carport south side
    [*]Carport load capacity for balcony
    [*]Automatic shutters
    [*]Freestanding bathtub
    [*]Vinyl
    [*]Tiles
    [*]Additional costs to achieve KfW 40 or 40EE standards
 

RMH Fabi

2022-03-07 23:06:12
  • #2
No, that's roughly fine. Especially currently again. In fact, some, especially solid construction companies, have no interest in cooperation. Either no capacity or they don't build in infill plots or no one gets back to you anymore.
 

11ant

2022-03-07 23:34:49
  • #3

What expectations do you have about how deeply the providers are willing to dive into the challenge of a casting?

The Excel table would already have to be built like a Falk plan. Freely after Shakespeare: Sisyphus, Pyrrhus or Varus – that is the question here. You don’t read the best construction performance description, you write it.

As pointless as I find it otherwise, in this specific case I see the timber frame panel builders all hardly interested or desirable. Look around with the regional masons. I generally see this project hardly suitable for amateur tendering, no matter how fearless one is ready to grasp the windmill wings. An architect is needed here.

No. It is only the beginning of March, and yet I have already said this several times this year. Opening the interface OKKD as a flank for games of black Peter regarding the responsibility of fitting together is the sister of cutting down the sums.
 

FoxMulder24

2022-03-08 08:35:34
  • #4

From May, the obligation for photovoltaic systems applies in BW, so presumably this question is no longer relevant. However, it would be interesting to see how the individual general contractors handle this now. Can it be easily removed and installed by oneself (as long as the scaffolding is still up and the house has not been accepted yet)? Or do some cause trouble? Photovoltaic systems are generally very, very expensive through the general contractors.
 

RMH Fabi

2022-03-08 11:40:42
  • #5

Well, the hope that dies last is that we get comparable offers.


I had to google what a Falk plan is first :) That roughly reveals your year of birth :)
Well, the level of detail is of course open upwards but maybe for an overview. It’s at least better than having 5 such booklets side by side. The best construction service description is written? Yeah, that may be so but so far I have only been actively in contact with timber prefab builders.



Why do you see the project as demanding and why an architect?

An architect just for planning or also to hire him?

Is masonry better than timber framing? You really can’t say that, can you?

I am already further with the timber framers because, unlike the masons I asked, they didn’t immediately decline or quote extremely high prices per sqm --> Fermo.

In the forum you can still find masons in my region to inquire with and I will do that, however I just haven’t had any luck whether with Heinz von Heiden, Viebrockhaus, Fermo, Böpple, Krämer, or smaller ones like Bürkle, Pfeil, Otto-Bayer. Only Schneider Bau in Esslingen has not ruled it out yet. I made an appointment there over a week ago for mid-April!

Are there threads you haven’t read? :)
Are you an architect yourself?



I had to read that sentence twice but thanks, then the topic is off the table.



Yes, that’s why as an option. I also think photovoltaic ready is sufficient and the photovoltaic system from someone else.

But then that already goes in the direction of not all from one source, which was important to us at the beginning. Where do you start and where do you stop?
Photovoltaic system not from the GC
Carport a kit

Painting and plastering do it ourselves and suddenly we do what we didn’t want :)
 

11ant

2022-03-08 12:27:03
  • #6
Hoffmann dies last, I always say that too. But I deal professionally with tenders and know that Excel spreadsheets are THE tool of the preliminary decision-makers. I was born in ’78. I’m not an architect, but a construction pilot after interesting detours. Thanks to my elephant memory, I remember well what I once read. There is a whole section here, especially in the form of financing threads, in which I have read almost none of the threads – otherwise almost all since I have been here and looking back about a year at that time.


What is that supposed to have to do with the construction method?


If a middle terraced house in an infill site is not a demanding project, then enlighten me! An architect plans, details, tenders, and manages construction. The client then commissions the bidder(s) based on the architect’s recommendation according to the tender results.


Exactly, you normally cannot say that, because due to their equivalence despite differences, it would be wrong. But in a terraced infill plot, as a construction pilot I do not see a prefabricated house floating in—no matter if the wall panels were stone or timber frame construction—but rather a masonry house must be fitted in. For the same reason, I would also see a carpenter-built house there if the neighboring buildings were wooden.
 

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