Question regarding the feasibility of financing

  • Erstellt am 2020-05-09 02:03:05

Hausbautraum20

2020-10-31 13:58:09
  • #1


Our entire plot is 330sqm, however not including the driveway/access road. We have 80sqm building footprint and now 36sqm double garage. That leaves us over 200sqm of garden.
So compared to the usually typical new townhouse gardens, that is significantly above average.
We do not find that we have to make any compromises (outside of our house) at all, that is the point many people here cannot understand.
The compromises with the house do bother us though. Our parents have significantly bigger houses with far more luxury than we do, so we are definitely taking a clear step back here.

What you overlook in your considerations are the alternatives.
Currently, in our neighborhood there is a terraced MID house with 295! sqm plot for 1900€ cold rent.
I don’t know if that is better.

But yes, overall it is bitter how little you get for a lot of money. And of course inheritances play a big role. In 20 years my wife and I will at least partially inherit our parents’ houses worth seven figures each, and then our financial situation will look quite different anyway. But still, we have to plan now so that we can manage on our own.



Certainly. In our new development area, usually at least one person has a corresponding job in a top Munich company.
 

ypg

2020-10-31 16:57:55
  • #2
Because of your question about the "halving of a plot," I came across this thread here, which I initially followed but later did not.
I don’t understand why you talk about halving or even dividing a plot into thirds (in the other thread you mentioned the possibility of townhouses in addition to a semi-detached house) when for you "under 1000sqm" is out of the question.




I ask you, what do you understand by garden? Is it simply the measured area of large lawn, a lot of private open space around the house, or a landscaped garden? Because the latter can also be done on 100sqm. Or on 200, or on 300...



Between city and village there are also still small or large communities with good infrastructure and transport connections to the workplace. You don’t always have to compare just the extremes, but should consider other alternatives and not always exclude them. But yes: ultimately you can of course also talk yourself into seeing it all as bad or impossible if you want

You ask about financing options! And here one should just stay realistic that none of us can change the prices. What you can do yourself is to adjust your wishes and attitude or be flexible.
This insistence on 1000sqm, although you don’t even know how much garden area your urban plot has, seems somewhat peculiar.




Just see it as non-judgmental, which I doubt, and consider what you really want. Sure: there is not only the value of owning a house, renters or apartments also have their appeal—everyone should find the best or nearly best life situation for themselves which makes them happy. You don’t offend anyone who does it differently than you currently do. A nudist who can freely wander in his secluded 100sqm garden would certainly not be happy in your described communal garden. If that makes you happy, that’s great

Nevertheless, you currently prefer your living situation, but then why the questions about plot, financing, etc.?
I advise you to question why you cling to numbers when the meaning of “home” calls for entirely different factors.
In my opinion it is the wrong approach to change yourself when it comes to building a house. The jack-of-all-trades doesn’t exist. And you shouldn’t forget: a garden takes a lot of work. As an employee, I would rather subordinate myself somewhat to size.
 

Joedreck

2020-10-31 17:24:13
  • #3

I can understand that well. For job reasons, a move for me would only make sense to save time. But that comes along with significantly higher financing costs. So not just somewhat. But significantly!
For that, I’d rather commute a bit more. That works with the 40-hour week after all.
Kindergarten, elementary school, and high school are within my line of sight. Penny across the street. Lidl, Aldi, Rewe within walking distance. One does not necessarily exclude the other.
Plots go here for €170/sqm. I bought and renovated three years ago. Currently paying €830/month. Honestly? I wouldn’t want it any other way right now.
 

AleXSR700

2020-10-31 21:52:19
  • #4

The idea is quite "simple." With a semi-detached house, you would feel like you have more "free space," whether for a garden or garage, etc.
Because whether you have 2-3 m on each side or 0 m on one side and 4-6 m on the other, it makes a difference in terms of design options.
If you take a somewhat larger plot, the price per square meter also decreases a bit. Even if it's only €50/sqm, that already makes a difference of a few euros.
And if you then buy 1200-1500 sqm together (i.e., two families, for example with friends), build a semi-detached house (thus having more space on both outer sides) and are perhaps quite relaxed about the plot boundary (both families planning children, sharing a huge garden for the children and each still having their own retreat areas), then 600-750 sqm that actually belong to you feel much bigger than they would if it were a single house.
Usually, there is also a hedge or something similar on both sides at the plot boundaries. All things that visually reduce the size of the plot.

This is also the case, for example, with a rental house we were in. The plot including the house was about 1500 sqm. The house was divided into two parts (apartments on the right and left) and the garden was undivided. The garden seemed huge because there was no visual boundary between the two halves.

Do you understand what I mean?


Well, for such square meter prices, I would really have to move to a village of 500 inhabitants here in the area. Without higher schools and without such a range of shops.
Erlangen is formally a large city because Höchstadt belongs to it, but it feels more like a small town. I myself grew up in a city of 40,000 inhabitants. So a small town is enough. But there really aren't any here or the square meter prices don't even remotely drop to the range you mentioned. You therefore have to weigh whether you want to save €200/sqm but then both have to commute 1-1.5 hours daily or not.
If there were a city less than 30 minutes away with a lot of nature, at least 20,000 inhabitants, and the square meter price was below €500 (still a lot, but certainly affordable), I would consider that very seriously. As far as I know, that does not exist, though.
 

ypg

2020-10-31 22:26:22
  • #5
Now you have explained to me your simple thoughts on the topic of "arbitrary use of plots," but the questions remain open


Show me a semi-detached house that has been built in the last 10 years, whether urban or rural, that has more than 3 meters of boundary construction on one side, meaning your mentioned 4-6 meters.

Wrong. Land prices do not decrease the more I buy of it.
On the other hand, there is building land adjacent to garden land. Garden land is cheaper... but that is not being discussed here.

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Of course, you can live that out on a designated semi-detached house plot, but not on a single-family house plot. Even if your illusionary separation of "shared use" is the wish of many, it is usually not feasible because the ideal separation often causes disadvantages.
I am even a fan of ideal division (diligent readers know this), but then only if you have rights to a piece of land... Disadvantages arise when two parties want to use one land.

Uh... but this is not specific to semi-detached houses or single-family houses, rather it relates to the ownership claim "mine, please opaque."

The garden of a multi-family house or apartment building does not include the right to use it.
You should mentally limit yourself to single-family house development when thinking about house construction and leave the peculiarities of the common property use of multi-family houses aside.
 

Snowy36

2020-10-31 23:33:11
  • #6
Thank you for this thread, I have been wondering the same as the OP for years and we also have the discussions in the family where they say: Your (so mine) generation is doing so well ...

But that we both work full-time and will not have paid off our house in 15 years like the parents, they don't understand ...

Yes, we still go on vacation during the construction or shortly before/after ... but only because we unfortunately see that restricting yourself and also giving up on that doesn't get you much further ...

And in Eichstätt 2000 euros per square meter: someone really took you for a ride ...
 

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