Please evaluate the heating/ventilation concept for the new single-family house construction

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wrobel

2016-01-03 16:01:30
  • #1


Hello again

if you can basically get along with a pellet stove in the living area
then why not forego other heat generators?
If you lived around the corner you could take a look at something like that at my place.

Olli
 

wrobel

2016-01-03 16:13:15
  • #2
What do you want to tell us saboj? That a tent became a passive house years ago with a pellet heating system? That switching to bagged goods reduces heat loss? That a pellet stove replaces a controlled residential ventilation system? That the heat demand decreases with a pellet heating system? I somehow can't follow that. Olli
 

holg182

2016-01-03 17:47:50
  • #3


Good point, wrobel! Would something like the MZC Vivo 80 Hydro be sufficient for a single-family house?
 

wrobel

2016-01-03 21:17:00
  • #4
Hi Holg er?

yes, that is certainly sufficient. However, I have not installed the product yet.
It should be considered that the device is located in the living area.
Exhaust fan and feed screw cannot be ignored, but a fan for air distribution also makes noise, which I would avoid.

Take a look at the PE nova from Wodtke. I've been running it for 13 years and it will also be the heating system in the new house.



Olli
 

Grym

2016-01-04 01:03:59
  • #5

Heat pump tariff with us: 19.91 cents; gas tariff: 5.77 cents. Basic fees are comparable in each case. With an annual performance factor of 3.5, the air-to-water heat pump does not save anything compared to gas. For the air-to-water heat pump, also note the inspection obligation according to EU Directive 517/2014, or if the currently desired heat pump is NOT yet subject to this inspection obligation, please assess yourself whether there could be changes in the future. In comparison, the chimney sweep every two years is a joke.

Another interesting topic that Prof. Leukefeld has occasionally mentioned: heat pumps mainly consume electricity when it is expensive (many consumers in winter, and additional heat pumps will increasingly raise this consumption). The trend is towards "smart" electricity meters, and anyone who puts two and two together should soon expect that winter electricity will eventually become more expensive than summer electricity.

Then there are the possible hygiene problems (an air-to-water heat pump will hardly be able to keep the hot water storage at 60 degrees), which can be compensated by further costly systems (hygiene hot water storage), and the possible problems with noise and neighbors as well as the appearance.

Gas: is used by about 50 percent of all Germans for heating, so an affordable gas price is politically highly significant, and what you consume in gas in a newly built home is enough to heat 1-2 rooms for others. The market price for gas is currently falling sharply; not all current price reductions have even been passed on yet. Secondly, there are numerous methods to produce gas alternatively, whether so-called wind gas, biogas from plants, or biogas from manure. At the moment, gas is even the only conceivable seasonal storage for the energy transition. Considering the renewal rate in existing buildings and the fact that even then it is not simply possible to switch to alternative heat sources, gas will remain the dominant heating method for the next decades.
 

Peanuts74

2016-01-05 08:23:24
  • #6


Especially when you mention political (desired) aspects, one can also say that if the state ever needs money, it can quickly impose some kind of tax on gas. Since this is then shared by 50% of households, it will only be a small increase for each and will be approved by the average German without much grumbling.
Basically, almost every (modern) way of heating costs about the same. Almost everyone who has newly built here pays about 800 - 1000 € per year regardless of the heating type, whether gas plus solar, pellets (where you still need space for the pellets) or heat pump. Differences arise mostly through heating or ventilation behavior and the building envelope itself.
Whether one pays 3.80 € less per month with pellets than with gas or 1.20 € more than with a heat pump realistically hardly matters. Every well-calculated and professionally executed heating system is economical nowadays. For comparison, even houses from the 90s, which can still be considered quite new, consume about twice the energy, and here differences of maybe 10, at most 20%, are debated.
For me, gas and heat pump are currently the favorites; if you absolutely want a fireplace, then rather gas; otherwise, you can save the gas connection and also the chimney and rather opt for the heat pump.
As far as aesthetics are concerned, there are also units that can be installed indoors; otherwise just put the outdoor unit somewhere where it does not disturb.
 

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