Planning house construction and considering the desire for children

This is really going way off-topic now:

If you’re already using the buzzword "do-gooders" here and demand that women who give birth late should accept the risks, then why did you do the screening? And why was there horror afterwards? The purpose of screening is to know in advance, right? Somehow it doesn’t all add up...

Just take a deep breath and calm down. Then we’ll continue the discussion.

because we were aware of the risk and consciously chose the screening. That’s why

1 child very healthy, 2nd child we wanted to see the risk. Period

But if you consciously postpone planning due to monetary things like (vacation, money, house, car), I have no understanding for that!

First get your ducks in a row, build a house out in the countryside, then go on a nice world tour, you’ve earned it, then the kids can come. It might work, but it doesn’t have to.

Absolutely. Just as there is no entitlement to hold a (healthy) child in your arms at 23 or 26. Of course, you don’t need a high or even solid standard of living to have and raise a child. After all, people live in the Balkans with 7 heads in 55 square meters without anyone dying. It all works somehow. But then I wouldn’t need to slave away at a bank at least 40 hours a week. Why actually? You can get kids even with a part-time sales job at Kik or MäcGeiz. Or I could just sell oranges on the roadside. My child will surely proudly tell that later in class...

I’m signing off here and wish everyone a nice weekend.

Absolutely. Just like there is no claim against Mother Nature to hold a (healthy) child in your arms at 23 or 26. Of course, you don't need a high or even solid standard of living to have and raise a child. After all, people live in the Balkans with 7 heads in 55 square meters without anyone dying. It all works. But then I wouldn't need to slave away at a bank for at least 40 hours. Why actually? Even with a part-time sales job at Kik or MäcGeiz, you can have children. Or I could just sell oranges on the roadside. My child will surely proudly tell this later in class... I’m signing off here and wish everyone a nice weekend.

But these are only monetary reasons you mention. Which is okay, because everyone has their own sense of security. But that’s exactly what wants to say: this monetary security is paid for with possibly "no child" or a "disabled child." Children don’t need money to be happy because children have no relationship to money. The value of something doesn’t matter to a child. They are just as happy about a 10-year-old, rusty €30 children's bike as about a €300 children's bike. But what can you expect from adults who have never seen a child happy about exactly such things? At Christmas, the oldest got a roll of glitter tape from Action because he likes to craft, and guess what the best gift was. It wasn’t the Lego from grandma. So, with that, have a nice weekend

But then I wouldn't need to slog at a bank for at least 40 hours. What for, actually?

It's amazing where you can get when you think things through consistently, isn't it?

In all my work with young people, I see that the quality of upbringing is always a matter of education, never of money. That educated people often have higher salaries on average always leads to the assumption that you can enhance the quality of upbringing with money, because there is a correlation... But in all my experience, that's complete nonsense.

There doesn't have to be individual rooms of at least 15 sqm each, or the availability of every desired hobby without having to raise money for it yourself, or constant access to media, etc.

Big houses with many rooms for every child and every hobby are adult projects. What really benefits children: gardens, nature, contact with other children, as little TV, game consoles, and smartphones as possible: today, parents sometimes plan and implement the opposite. Because the money for that well-paid 40+ hour job has to come from somewhere.

And yes, sometimes it's simply best for children when parents are there and not at work. Open all-day care is especially no substitute for younger children, even if half the world believes that.

(These are observations from working with children and adolescents and their parents in clubs. I've been doing this for over 15 years. None of the forum members should take this personally!)

It's amazing where you end up when you think things through consistently, isn't it?

And yes, sometimes it's simply the very best for children when parents are there and not at work. Open all-day care is especially no substitute for younger ones, even if half the world believes that.

(These are observations from working with children and adolescents and their parents ….)

"Offene Ganztage" refers to a form of all-day school or daycare in Germany where children can stay beyond the regular school hours. Unlike fully structured daycare programs, "offene Ganztage" offers a more flexible schedule with options for children to participate in various activities, have lunch, and receive support in homework, but attendance is not always compulsory for the entire day. It is designed to complement parents' working hours and provide care and educational support outside of standard class times.

I will bake a cake with my 6-year-old tomorrow morning for Mom. I wanted to buy it (Stressfrei / kann nicht backen). Junior says: no Dad, I have a baking book, I’ll show it to you. Children’s eyes beat money. I’m out of the discussion now. Everyone should have their children whenever they want, even at 50.