evelinoz
2023-09-16 12:32:50
- #1
Is there a kitchen area with better dimensions? For example, the position of the [Säule]?
Kitchen planning renovation: Question about windows and electrical appliances
- Erstellt am 2023-09-10 01:47:57
Mal Bauen
2023-09-17 01:38:51
- #2
The homemade floor plan from the opening post is currently the best-dimensioned that I can offer for the kitchen area,
Alternatively, attached is the "official" ground floor plan with some measurements.
Yes, that's true, it gets tricky from this height. The coffee machine will probably go next to the pillar.
I didn't know about the appliance cabinet and it would actually be a great thing for our kitchen machine, which is only used sporadically. The positioning of the cabinet and countertop then has to fit logically. In our current kitchen plan, integration is a bit more difficult.
Furthermore, today's two-hour kitchen studio visit spoiled us with lots of new ideas. Over the course of the coming week, we will receive a new offer/new plan...
Alternatively, attached is the "official" ground floor plan with some measurements.
Exactly, refilling beans would probably still work, but emptying the water tray is absolutely not possible.
Yes, that's true, it gets tricky from this height. The coffee machine will probably go next to the pillar.
I didn't know about the appliance cabinet and it would actually be a great thing for our kitchen machine, which is only used sporadically. The positioning of the cabinet and countertop then has to fit logically. In our current kitchen plan, integration is a bit more difficult.
Furthermore, today's two-hour kitchen studio visit spoiled us with lots of new ideas. Over the course of the coming week, we will receive a new offer/new plan...
evelinoz
2023-09-17 14:38:09
- #3
The window seat was mentally added as a gimmick mainly for the children. And maybe for the adults to look out into nature on Sunday mornings with coffee.
Somehow I don't understand the layout. Only the person who occasionally works around the sink and then usually looks at the countertop is allowed to enjoy the view. Those on the window seat row are not, they look at the cabinets. There are supposed to be seats on the back side of the island again? Why are only a few people allowed to occasionally enjoy the view, but no one during meals? Why is the utility room (function?) exactly there where the view is?The view to the east is by far the most beautiful.
Mal Bauen
2023-09-17 17:15:01
- #4
Since several concepts were discussed in the thread, I have to ask again which post you are referring to exactly? The utility room is structurally given by the existing building. There was a small kitchenette in it. Due to insulation measures, the room will shrink a bit more. We currently envision a small private office and storage space for cleaning supplies, vacuum cleaner, beverage crates, etc. in the utility room.
evelinoz
2023-09-18 01:58:57
- #5
Basically the entire layout of the ground floor and upper floor. I am referring to the linked floor plan in your first post in this thread.
Putting aside what is current or not, and I can understand why you want to tear down and rebuild on the basement, but why like this. By "like this" I mean the usual open-plan room, a rectangle, kitchen/table/couch in a row as it is done in every second house. In the other f...um, I can’t write more or I’ll get a warning, someone is currently struggling exactly with that, to plan a sensible kitchen.
If I take the existing plan, it offers better usable rooms, assuming it will be a household of 5 people. If I just take the room dimensions of the plan, extend the bay window on the left side as a rectangle, only on the ground floor (regardless of whether feasible or not).
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According to the plan, the existing kitchen room is 240 cm wide, ideal for a two-row kitchen.
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You would have on the left side, in the east, a very large panoramic window with a bench in front across the entire width, with the dining table in front of it. In the kitchen also a wider window, also because of the view.
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The kitchen then goes around the corner on both sides, right side a counter for what you need for breakfast, left side storage, low, medium-high or tall cabinets, whatever you need.
Terrace door as existing, possibly wider, the other windows as existing.
Although not the topic of this thread, there is no proper cloakroom for 5 people, shoes, bags, backpacks, buggies all lie around on the floor. But that has probably already been discussed. My daughter had 250m2 in the old house, everything great, only there was no proper cloakroom. Chaos at the house entrance.
What is the latest status for the upper floor?
The existing floor plan simply offers more options, you can spread out, the five of you are not always sitting on top of each other, don’t hear the kitchen clatter, screaming children, toys scattered on the floor. Kitchens with stone countertops are very loud, you have to get used to that first. I don’t want to see the kitchen chaos from the couch every day. We have about 70m2 of open-plan room, about like in your new plan, also 13 m, but the room is still not rectangular and divided into areas by 2 partial walls. I can watch a movie in the front, husband at the other end watches the Tour de France. There are no doors.
I would also think very carefully about whether a wood stove, in any form, still makes sense today. I think you get more from it for the transitional seasons if you install an aircon (inverter, split system) with reverse cycle for the open-plan room. Then you also have something for the hot days. The units consume relatively little electricity, require no work and make no mess. We replaced our 20-year-old one and could hardly believe how much better and cheaper the new one is (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries).
Regarding kitchen planning, in the so-called specialized forum, you can plan it better because, as here in the floor plan planning, there is a checklist. Without that, it’s only half the job, because you know too little.
Putting aside what is current or not, and I can understand why you want to tear down and rebuild on the basement, but why like this. By "like this" I mean the usual open-plan room, a rectangle, kitchen/table/couch in a row as it is done in every second house. In the other f...um, I can’t write more or I’ll get a warning, someone is currently struggling exactly with that, to plan a sensible kitchen.
If I take the existing plan, it offers better usable rooms, assuming it will be a household of 5 people. If I just take the room dimensions of the plan, extend the bay window on the left side as a rectangle, only on the ground floor (regardless of whether feasible or not).
[ATTACH alt="Bestand_Grundriss_EG_wird abgerissen.png"]81792[/ATTACH]
According to the plan, the existing kitchen room is 240 cm wide, ideal for a two-row kitchen.
[ATTACH alt="1694993102515.png"]81793[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH alt="1694993197107.png"]81794[/ATTACH]
You would have on the left side, in the east, a very large panoramic window with a bench in front across the entire width, with the dining table in front of it. In the kitchen also a wider window, also because of the view.
[ATTACH alt="1694993703592.png"]81795[/ATTACH]
The kitchen then goes around the corner on both sides, right side a counter for what you need for breakfast, left side storage, low, medium-high or tall cabinets, whatever you need.
Terrace door as existing, possibly wider, the other windows as existing.
Although not the topic of this thread, there is no proper cloakroom for 5 people, shoes, bags, backpacks, buggies all lie around on the floor. But that has probably already been discussed. My daughter had 250m2 in the old house, everything great, only there was no proper cloakroom. Chaos at the house entrance.
What is the latest status for the upper floor?
The existing floor plan simply offers more options, you can spread out, the five of you are not always sitting on top of each other, don’t hear the kitchen clatter, screaming children, toys scattered on the floor. Kitchens with stone countertops are very loud, you have to get used to that first. I don’t want to see the kitchen chaos from the couch every day. We have about 70m2 of open-plan room, about like in your new plan, also 13 m, but the room is still not rectangular and divided into areas by 2 partial walls. I can watch a movie in the front, husband at the other end watches the Tour de France. There are no doors.
I would also think very carefully about whether a wood stove, in any form, still makes sense today. I think you get more from it for the transitional seasons if you install an aircon (inverter, split system) with reverse cycle for the open-plan room. Then you also have something for the hot days. The units consume relatively little electricity, require no work and make no mess. We replaced our 20-year-old one and could hardly believe how much better and cheaper the new one is (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries).
Regarding kitchen planning, in the so-called specialized forum, you can plan it better because, as here in the floor plan planning, there is a checklist. Without that, it’s only half the job, because you know too little.
Mal Bauen
2023-09-19 22:23:03
- #6
Thank you for thinking along with our plan and pointing out alternatives.
Even though the ideas go somewhat beyond the kitchen thread, I would like to address them.
At first, we played exactly with the idea of planning the kitchen partially in the current utility room. Due to thicker exterior walls (from 18cm to 42.5cm) and interior walls (the stairs to the basement are outside the thermal envelope and must be insulated), unfortunately only 2.10 - 2.20m of clear room width remain. For a "dead-end" kitchen where people have to pass each other more often, that seemed too narrow to us, which is why we gave up the utility room again.
If we had more width here, I would indeed find your solution appealing. The annoying pillar at the dining table might even be eliminated due to the shorter ceiling span. At least we actually did not want to fundamentally change the cubic structure now.
You are also right about the zoning of living / dining kitchen; that is more difficult in a rectangular format. We are still looking for a solution there (partition system or furniture-based). Basically, we hope that the house over 3-4 floors still offers enough retreats for the family members. From a certain age, children then shun the common rooms and prefer their own rooms.
By installing built-in cabinets under the stairs to the attic for shoes, jackets, etc., as well as using the shelf above the stairs, we hope to keep the lack of space here less than it appears on the floor plan. This leaves about 6.5m² of free area without cabinets (including traffic routes).
The stove is also repeatedly a candidate for the chopping block for us. There is definitely more nostalgia than practical necessity involved. The climate system is interesting (also price-wise); we have not looked into it more closely yet. Do you then also use the reverse cycle of the air conditioning in addition to the normal heating system in winter for more comfort? Where exactly did you place it?
If you want, you can show me your solution in the floor plan? Maybe you have already presented it here in the forum? I would actually be interested in that.
I can then show you that (and everything else unrelated to the kitchen) in the floor plan thread.
Even though the ideas go somewhat beyond the kitchen thread, I would like to address them.
According to the plan, the existing kitchen space is 240cm wide, ideal for a two-row kitchen.
At first, we played exactly with the idea of planning the kitchen partially in the current utility room. Due to thicker exterior walls (from 18cm to 42.5cm) and interior walls (the stairs to the basement are outside the thermal envelope and must be insulated), unfortunately only 2.10 - 2.20m of clear room width remain. For a "dead-end" kitchen where people have to pass each other more often, that seemed too narrow to us, which is why we gave up the utility room again.
If we had more width here, I would indeed find your solution appealing. The annoying pillar at the dining table might even be eliminated due to the shorter ceiling span. At least we actually did not want to fundamentally change the cubic structure now.
You are also right about the zoning of living / dining kitchen; that is more difficult in a rectangular format. We are still looking for a solution there (partition system or furniture-based). Basically, we hope that the house over 3-4 floors still offers enough retreats for the family members. From a certain age, children then shun the common rooms and prefer their own rooms.
Although not the topic of this thread, there is no proper cloakroom for 5 people, shoes, bags, backpacks, buggies all lie around on the floor. But that has certainly already been discussed. My daughter had 250m2 in her old house, everything great, but there was no reasonable cloakroom. Chaos at the house entrance.
By installing built-in cabinets under the stairs to the attic for shoes, jackets, etc., as well as using the shelf above the stairs, we hope to keep the lack of space here less than it appears on the floor plan. This leaves about 6.5m² of free area without cabinets (including traffic routes).
I would also consider very carefully whether a wood stove, in any form, still makes sense today. I think you get more out of the transition period if you install an aircon (inverter, split system) with reverse cycle for the all-purpose room.
The stove is also repeatedly a candidate for the chopping block for us. There is definitely more nostalgia than practical necessity involved. The climate system is interesting (also price-wise); we have not looked into it more closely yet. Do you then also use the reverse cycle of the air conditioning in addition to the normal heating system in winter for more comfort? Where exactly did you place it?
We have about 70m2 all-purpose room, about like in your new plan, also 13m, but the room is still not rectangular and divided into areas by 2 partial walls.
If you want, you can show me your solution in the floor plan? Maybe you have already presented it here in the forum? I would actually be interested in that.
What is the latest status for the upper floor?
I can then show you that (and everything else unrelated to the kitchen) in the floor plan thread.