Floor Plan Optimization | Semi-Detached House on a Slope with 192m² Living Area

  • Erstellt am 2020-06-07 21:28:44

ypg

2021-08-10 17:47:23
  • #1

I see a few minor things, and I still have the courage to mention them.
Move the apartment door/hallway: it is exactly opposite the load-bearing wall. One should consider placing it towards the main door or stairs. Both have advantages, one should try rearranging the furniture ;) For example, I see the kitchen corner more on the outside. The windowless bathroom can also be inside.
The laundry shaft is extremely misplaced. Many things are hard to arrange around it.
I would do without it.

I find the pantry well placed in the DH floor plan with entry in the basement.
Moving a few meters is completely okay. It is not a backup kitchen. The latter should be located behind or next to a show kitchen.
I would move the door to the office slightly downward on the plan.
Regarding the kitchen or all-purpose room door, I agree with : this access is too important to be given this flawed door design. My opinion. Alternative 1: leave it out. The door is not needed.
Option 2 or combined with 1: just reflect on whether you want to keep this continuously boring symmetry of the kitchen. A kitchen does not have to be as static as it is drawn here. I would at least play around with the island position. The minimum is to move it so that a person entering doesn’t bump into it. I would also turn it to be able to look towards the hallway window (top of plan) while cooking.
Upstairs I would recess the bedroom door and prefer to have the small closet in the hallway.
The bedroom is too dark, opposite the door a double casement window is missing.
Personally, I would avoid floor-to-ceiling windows in bedrooms and bathrooms, including children’s rooms, and install wide windows with a parapet. The narrow slits practically do not adequately illuminate the attic rooms. Theoretically yes. In the bathroom: make the shower longer and shorten the toilet, possibly rotate it towards the room.
Light in the hallway: what should the only attic be for? No one will voluntarily go there anymore if usable space is available in the basement. I would do without the attic and either open the rooms upstairs upwards or only make the hallway and the rest, for example through bathroom and bedroom, accessible laterally from the hallway with vertical roof hatches to crawl through.


Maybe one should simply say that "it could be that the green kitchen does not correspond to the generally accepted aesthetics."

That's how it is! The smart one always keeps quiet and holds back when things could get tricky. But a good friend will never be such a person.
 

pagoni2020

2021-08-10 18:44:46
  • #2
Machine: YES Human: sometimes/often No You are curious yourself how it looks and usually carry a certain insecurity within you........who would want to read that "it" looks stupid or is a planning mistake. Apparently it is not quite that simple, otherwise you would not receive such answers. However, it is correct that criticism should be given -beforehand-, because it is often helpful, and sometimes people do not really want to hear it.
 

pagoni2020

2021-08-10 19:13:18
  • #3

I would leave it out completely, including the short wall, that can be nicely designed.

also not, since it will probably mostly be left open anyway.

also often a huge heat gain because of it
 

driver55

2021-08-10 20:13:26
  • #4

I repeat, if it says "feedback wanted," then there will be feedback, of all kinds. And that only happens at the earliest when plans are shown.
Whether that is already the detailed planning or the excavator is rolling in is none of my business.
Otherwise, one has to say, "Please just look and keep your mouth shut." ;)
 

erazorlll

2021-08-11 22:31:23
  • #5


I think you misunderstood my answer. I wasn’t talking about this thread here (see quote), you can of course give feedback however you want there. But if you look at your last posts (generally here in the forum), they are all either instructive or negative comments. And when you ask for your floor plan, the only answer is "I’m not posting it here" (paraphrased). I just find that the wrong attitude, but that is only my opinion.

I’ll leave it at that now and back to the topic.



True, I hadn’t really noticed the door situation and need to have another look at it. You run straight into the wall when you come out of the door.

Regarding the bathroom: I have to leave the load-bearing interior walls as they are since the structural calculation is already done. Did you have a concrete idea of how it could/should be arranged?



Please no, I fought hard and long for it ;) Yes, I understand what you mean and we were already close to removing the laundry chute. But then we wrote down which compromises we would have to accept for that. In the basement, not much would change. On the ground floor, we would have a pipe through the living room, which is the biggest disadvantage. Here we made it dependent on how well the stove installer can clad and nicely design it. He reassured us a bit and in my opinion handled it quite well (picture will follow). On the upper floor, we had to move the door, which made the second child’s bedroom 0.8 m² smaller. Of course, that’s not nice, as it wasn’t the biggest room anyway. On the other hand, the older child could move into the granny flat eventually, and the children’s room would probably be repurposed anyway. So we’re talking about a smaller room for a few years versus “a lifetime” of convenience from the laundry chute.

But I agree with you, we have to accept some compromises for it.



We really wanted the pantry directly connected to the kitchen, and that always appealed to us very much. In the first plans, we even had that, but then the kitchen was quite small, and on the upper floor, we had the wardrobe too far under the sloping roof. So we decided on the separated version, and I think the few meters of walking is manageable.



Thanks, I’ll pass that on to my wife—it's "her" office.



Yes, the door isn’t quite properly designed.

We know acquaintances who have a similar floor plan and had the staircase completely in the living area (along the wall) — like you sometimes see in semi-detached house floor plans with an open staircase. At first, it was fine, but later they spent a lot of money to add a wall and door. The reason was that the sound transmission to the upper floor (and vice versa) was not negligible, and you had to be careful in the living area not to make too much noise to avoid waking the children upstairs (no loud movies, no unloading dishes late at night, etc.). How much of that was personal perception/subjective feeling, I cannot say, but it sounded plausible.

We will reconsider and look for another solution. Rotating the island is not an option for me. But I could imagine first only putting in a door frame (without a door) and leaving it open, and alternatively or additionally moving the island further down. Of course, the passage would then be narrower, but you would have to walk around on the right, especially when coming from the garden through the narrow passage. I’ll think about it.



I need to check if I can still change this due to load-bearing walls and structural calculations.



Now you’re making me uncertain. We addressed exactly this point with the builder in the last planning meeting and asked if we should install a double skylight to get more light into the room. He said the floor-to-ceiling window and the skylight are sufficient and the room is only for sleeping.



I don’t know how much changes are still possible because the structural calculations are already completed. We do like the floor-to-ceiling windows very much, but especially in the bathroom, they are rather impractical. Also, in the bathroom, the question is whether I want a window directly above the bathtub.



I noticed that during the bathroom selection; the splash guard is "only" about 1.15 m before the passage to the room starts. Possibly, we will move the toilet a bit to the left on the plan.



At the beginning, we planned with an open ridge, but didn’t like it and explicitly decided against it. We also temporarily had 2.80 m ceiling height but reduced it to 2.65 m because otherwise, most of the rooms at the top and bottom of the plan would have mostly sloping roof area and only a little flat area. That didn’t look good in the 3D model.

The solution with the daylight spot we saw in another client’s house of the general contractor and it was actually pretty well solved. And I think eventually you are happy about the extra storage space in the attic because the basement isn’t that big either.

Thanks again for your comments!
 

ypg

2021-08-12 08:42:34
  • #6
Just without the garbage chute. Then leave it as it is, otherwise it gets too complicated. I would have seen the added value in making the kitchen brighter. I’m saying: the garbage chute is quite in the way. But it’s your house… I would oppose that: I said, theoretically, mathematically, the existing window should be enough, but it will be dark there opposite the door. And you don’t just sleep in the bedroom, you also want it to be nice. You stay there when you’re sick, possibly do sports or iron. I don’t like the floor-to-ceiling slits anyway – you get more light in the room with a horizontal arrangement, that is a 150 cm window with a parapet. That’s what you mean. It will definitely be more than sufficient, there are almost 35 sqm accessible via a fixed staircase.
 

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