Calculation of ongoing ancillary costs

  • Erstellt am 2023-03-16 20:14:57

motorradsilke

2023-03-18 23:06:13
  • #1

Offshore wind turbines are already almost capable of providing baseload today. You just need enough in many different locations, then the chance of calm everywhere is virtually zero.
 

Benutzer 1001

2023-03-19 06:44:38
  • #2
Then a Russian or an American comes and blows up the line... and no one was there.
 

Allthewayup

2023-03-19 09:27:14
  • #3
You are not wrong with that statement, but it does not work 1:1 in the southern part of the country, because the wind there does not blow nearly as reliably as it does out at sea. In addition, consumption is higher in the more densely populated south and the base load peaks are also greater. Wind power here should therefore be seen more as a supplement. The hours of sunshine are more attractive here, and towards the Alps we can think more about weirs and pumped storage due to increasing river density. The TU Munich has an interesting project running with a shaft power plant which I got to know as part of my seminar paper. I see something like that more for the south of the country and it has the advantage of "real" base load capability.
 

xMisterDx

2023-03-19 11:15:21
  • #4


You have an interesting point there. For the supply of gas from Russia, we had 2 pipelines in operation. For the supply from wind power, there will be hundreds of wind farms with hundreds of cables. They are much harder to sabotage just because of the sheer quantity, certainly not completely.

By the way, base load capability is no longer a problem beyond a critical amount of solar and wind energy installations, it averages out. Much more problematic is the peak load. For that, you need storage.
 

Allthewayup

2023-03-19 11:32:28
  • #5

You should reconsider this statement regarding baseload capability very carefully because it is completely wrong. A lull at night and you are out. Baseload capability means being able to ramp energy demand up and down at certain power levels at any time of day or night. Currently, this can only be reliably done with nuclear, coal, gas, hydro, partly pumped-storage, and to a very limited extent with combustion power plants. But not with photovoltaics or wind energy without having previously stored the energy they generated somewhere in large quantities. There have been model experiments using energy from wind turbines to operate pumped-storage power plants, but even there limits were quickly reached.
 

WilderSueden

2023-03-19 12:17:18
  • #6
Germany has quite little area for offshore wind power and it usually depends on the same weather system. Because the North Sea and the Baltic Sea are not that far apart. This is only apparent diversification. And then there is the problem of bringing the electricity to the south. Because there is simply much less wind there and the better solar ratio only helps in summer.
 

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