Heat pumps require a lot of energy and make noise

  • Erstellt am 2024-01-17 18:26:01

jens.knoedel

2024-01-18 10:30:20
  • #1
This is the opinion that is now being advocated. Turn all ERRs completely on or leave them fully open and regulate the temperatures via the heating system. I would turn ALL ERRs completely on. Set the flow rate on the HKVs as calculated – that is, as intended in the hydraulic balancing. Then carry out the thermal balancing. That means adjusting so that all rooms end up having the temperature you want without you having to touch the ERRs. You can adjust that for the kids’ room then. But waste? No, you still haven’t understood. If you don’t sufficiently heat the kids’ room, then the surrounding rooms will heat the kids’ room. You will always consume the energy, just in another place. 18 degrees bedroom and 22 degrees kids’ room is per se already problematic – keyword refrigerator or thermos flask. The temperatures will equalize; you won’t achieve large differences in a new building. That also helps a lot. You can find a lot about it here in the forum too.
 

jens.knoedel

2024-01-18 10:33:16
  • #2

very inaccurate and approximate.

More precise looks like this, for example:
 

Eldirwars

2024-01-18 10:59:30
  • #3
But isn't it the case that if I open all the ERR, the pump constantly tries to reach the temperature and wants to "step on the gas" all the time, but can't manage it? On the device itself, there is either an optimized temperature or an automatic mode that lowers it by a few degrees at night. Currently, the optimized temperature is set to 22 degrees, is that connected somehow?
 

jens.knoedel

2024-01-18 11:08:59
  • #4
Why should the heat pump not manage it? It does the same as now – heating. But it doesn't have to work at full throttle anymore because you want to heat a 140 sqm house (no idea how the areas are) with 80 sqm. As a comparison: If an 8-cylinder engine in a 3-ton car in economy mode only has 4 cylinders running, the engine has to work at full throttle. With 8 cylinders, it runs comfortably at low power. Even with less consumption, actually. What device? You no longer do night setback with a heat pump. That comes from the time of oil and gas. No idea what an optimized temperature is. On mine – and many other heat pumps – you control via the outdoor temperature and the heating curve. Where is the optimized temperature measured anyway? Hopefully in the children's room, which is not heated... :rolleyes:
 

i_b_n_a_n

2024-01-18 11:51:51
  • #5
Why do you assume that the "pump" does not reach the target temperature of 22°? If enough energy is supplied to your house from outside (and you do not constantly throw windows and doors open in winter), this energy remains inside (is retained), and you only have to supply again the ventilated or otherwise lost (no insulation is perfect) delta. P.S. Regarding the different room temperatures, the first law of thermodynamics applies (in a closed "internal" system, no energy is lost). From additional laws, one can infer that temperatures equalize in this closed system. Small differences (delta) can occur temporarily. Large ones cannot; for that a floor heating is a) generally too sluggish and b) the interior walls are not sufficiently insulated against each other.) Night setback makes no sense in modern houses. It only makes sense in leaky or poorly insulated old houses. Many installers do not set heat pumps correctly. I had the factory service come. The first action was to reprogram the heating element out :cool: and to limit the maximum temperature. Since then (a good 2 years) the heat pump has been running flawlessly without me having to intervene much (I only raised the max temperature by 1° in winter). But we still have insufficient information from you. What standard does your house have, which heat pump (exactly)? Pictures of the HKV? P.P.S: I left it open for 45 minutes without sending and already someone interjected ;/
 

Eldirwars

2024-01-18 12:19:59
  • #6
I do not base it on 22 degrees, but on the 30 degrees at the thermostat in the different rooms. My thought was that the compressor then continuously tries to reach 30 degrees, which is not possible with this heating curve. Or is the "optimized temperature" that can be set on the device the specification or the maximum up to which the machine heats? If this is the case, where is the temperature measured? At the device itself? So in the technical room, where it is usually cooler anyway? Compress 6800i AW from Bosch is the heat pump. It is only a Kfw 55 standard with 36 bricks without additional insulation. So no greenhouse. The auxiliary heater is permanently off. Heating curve at 28 base point and 35 end point. Max. 45 degrees flow temperature. The noise definitely comes from the radiator valve and sounds like a radiator in my parents' house when the water flows through there.
 

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