Opinions on our house concept

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Mottenhausen

2019-04-18 13:43:32
  • #1
Your house budget is basically good


The insight up to this point should be: your sources/acquaintances did not deceive you, they simply have no idea or do not have an overview of the entire project or built 10...20 years ago. Please make an appointment with a general contractor, sacrifice the 2 hours, bring the floor plan and elevations along. Shortly after, you will have a concrete and reliable offer. If you go to an architect, please note that he may not give a fixed-price guarantee but only an estimate (usually much too low to get the contract).

Many here build for 300K. No problem at all. But it is simply a normal two-story single-family house with a gable roof or a city villa and without great luxury.

With a decent upgrading budget, large window fronts, etc., it gets tight again.

Unfortunately!
 

MuHaha202

2019-04-18 15:33:57
  • #2
Really amazing!

Rarely have I seen a forum with so much response.
I would like to emphasize again that you have opened my eyes. The construction method and the heating system do not work, either in terms of price or functionality. I will definitely reconsider and redesign these points before we make any final decisions and go to the planner.



What about the transitional period? We have sun then and can use it to heat the house. Is this thought incorrect?



Well, first of all, it was a lesson for me that I am so far off from my budget expectations. Also, the info about the heating system was helpful, although I have not completely dismissed infrared heating. The preferred solution for the whole building will certainly be the air-water heat pump. Infrared in the bathroom as a mirror supplement remains conceivable.



Noted. Will reconsider. The current situation is exactly this and works perfectly for US. That does not mean that other layouts might not work better. We just don’t know anything different.



The idea comes from the possibilities of building automation. Electricity is produced when I don’t need the energy. At the same time, there are rooms (e.g. bedrooms) that need heating when no energy is available. So when electricity is available, heat more than usual and use the room itself as a heat storage. Energy storage (electricity) is still too expensive at the moment, which would of course make more sense. Night storage heaters were common in the past but seem useless for the transitional periods in which I could use them.

Please keep in mind that my preference definitely tends towards the air-water heat pump. Just explaining how I came to this.



The development plan has not yet been decided. The floor plan mentioned here was discussed with the spatial planner and meets the requirements set out in the spatial plan prepared for the next municipal council meeting.



That’s EXACTLY it. Unfortunately with no experience, which is why I am here for the community’s experience.



It’s difficult for me. I may not be the best search champion on the internet, but I tried. I realize that I am on a rather unconventional path. I assumed that is precisely why I didn’t find any information on my ideas. For individual topics, yes, but I am too inexperienced to decide whether these fit together or not.

The friendly community has already done good work here and provided some good input.



I understand what you mean. The sun position on the property is quite well known. With the current overhang, no sun enters the ground floor in summer. Which is intentional because I want the house as cool as possible in summer. In winter, the sun shines directly about 4 meters into the room. Both calculations are based on the solstice days.



I am quite aware of this and totally with you. If it were my task to do laundry, I wouldn’t do it like that. My household tasks are more in the kitchen (I like cooking) and in jobs where I can’t break anything, like vacuuming and mopping. J

Our laundry responsible person had a utility room in her parents’ household. Now the situation is that we have laundry in the bathroom (renovated house in ownership). She prefers the solution with laundry in the bathroom. It doesn’t bother me. So if she wants it that way, why shouldn’t she have it like that, especially since she knows both “systems” J



Thanks for the link; I will adjust the floor plan accordingly. Not much will change. J

There is ONLY a bed in the bedroom; everything else is in the walk-in closet. The “traffic routes” in the parents’ sleeping area are deliberately tight. However, the situation is already similar here and sufficient for us.

Does it help to mention that we have carpenter-made furniture in the parents’ bedroom that will at least be taken into the new house at first?

Kids’ rooms are deliberately large because the children will probably spend a lot of time in their rooms and there is no separate playroom or similar. Meaning: there should be space to play.

Windows in the east and west are for morning and evening sun. At least intended that way.

True, the hobby room is bigger since it is also used as storage.

We have also noticed the lack of storage space on the ground floor. Adjusted carpenter-made furniture will compensate somewhat. Storage gives way to a bigger garden. The family’s wish is for a usable garden.

There probably won’t be any neighbors on this side for a long time. Strict regulations due to a creek and very difficult to build because of the very steep slope.



According to the spatial planner, a terrace on the garage roof is at least allowed. The regulations in the spatial plan would permit it on the said property.



It’s more that the attempt is to build a house on a 400 sqm plot with the given legal requirements, where there is still some usable garden left. By garden I mean more than a 3-4 meter wide green grass corridor around the house. So at least I have 6 m towards the south. With a more square construction, the garden would face southwest. Due to development and location, it is to be feared that in this case a large part of the garden would lie in the shade in the late afternoon. Also, in the east and west areas of the house, the height difference of the property must be made up. So hardly any usable garden because of the steep slope.



Support pillars would be disturbing but would definitely be acceptable. According to research, the strengths of steel construction are exactly such overhangs. So cheaper than with other types of construction. Unfortunately, I cannot find any numbers on this topic anywhere and thus cannot judge how the price develops with such overhangs in steel construction.

I really mean steel construction here and not steel CONCRETE construction. A complete steel construction provider for a single-family house has now been found and contacted. Data about the property and the wishes are now known to him. An appointment will be arranged as soon as the provider has a concept.
 

boxandroof

2019-04-18 16:11:17
  • #3
I would first roughly plan the house, then coordinate with the technology.


Yes, that makes sense.


Photovoltaics: it’s not wrong, but it makes more sense to focus the planning on the heating system. It will be so good that all additional measures hardly bring anything anymore. I would see photovoltaics separately. During the transition period and summer, the heating doesn’t need much electricity, but of course it can use it then. In Germany, photovoltaics almost always pay off; for Austria, I don’t know.


The house has a lot of storage mass. Simple night setback/day raise with the air-water heat pump across all rooms is completely sufficient; to increase the effect, you can also plan with concrete core activation. Anything else misses the mark – even SmartGrid or similar for photovoltaics coupling brings little if you handle it that way. For automation, you would have to include the weather forecast to achieve significant effects.


We built it like that too. The laundry stays where it is created and doesn’t have to be moved through the whole house. We don’t use the washing machine/dryer connections in the utility room, but I can understand if someone wants to handle it differently.
 

haydee

2019-04-18 16:19:17
  • #4
Please fill out the questionnaire. It's in the floor plans subforum.

Have you ever been in a passive house? You're planning one now, right? You can't compare these houses with houses from the 80s/90s. A passive house is so well insulated that it becomes more of a heat problem caused by people. I'll just tell you how it is for us. Heating system Stiebel Eltron LWZ 604 air or Tecalor TCO 2.5 (we have a pilot system, now available) Bathrooms also have an infrared mirror. No underfloor heating, supply air is warmed. Temperature in the house about 20.5 degrees. Centrally controlled, which you normally don’t want. Bathrooms infrared mirror. They turn on occasionally, simply to make it more pleasant after showering or when the child is splashing around.

About the bedroom. The bedroom heats up by about 2 degrees overnight. Simply from the heat we humans produce. So window open. We almost always sleep with the window tilted open.

Photovoltaic system in the transitional period or winter: On sunny days from about 5 degrees the pump works without compressor, at night with compressor. In bad weather, the compressor works more, your photovoltaic system works not or very little. Clear, icy cold, sunny days with double-digit minus temperatures—where possibly even the emergency power of the system comes into use during the day—are rare. This winter worked fine without it even at -17 degrees. Do not count the photovoltaic system as part of your heating.

Basics for planning: Visit model houses, from now on look at every apartment, every house you like and don’t like. Door hits the washbasin in the guest WC? Dining area too tight, etc. Draw your furniture to scale on every floor plan you create. Don’t just put “sofa” if you want an XXL sectional. It makes a difference whether it’s an 80x80 table or a table for 12 in the dining area. What pays off, since you want to automate anyway. Turn on dishwasher, dryer, washing machine, etc. when the photovoltaic system produces enough yield.

Can you name a company or a search term? I’d like to look at some example houses.
 

haydee

2019-04-18 16:21:01
  • #5


Small utility room on the sleeping level. No laundry tourism and no piles, and running washing machine in the bathroom
 

ypg

2019-04-18 16:30:50
  • #6


Wrong! Before you redesign as an amateur, you should let professionals handle it - including you. After all, a normal average budget was somehow mentioned here, which already conflicts with a standard row house development.


Maybe the 5 minutes just before sunset... at 12 noon on December 21 the sun is at its lowest angle of the year. About 45 degrees... the sun just reaches about half a meter into the open space on the south side... or something similar.


In the basement or upper floor?



That is clear, but this must be placed under a window, which is not exactly ideal.


It is not tight: the path between the two doors is practically unusable and serves only as a passage.



No. But here’s a note that the walk-in closet is quite large compared to its utility, about 2 x 2 meters.


This is reflected in the budget. Space for 4 people mainly means hall and cloakroom (stroller and co move in).
It should also be mentioned that an indoor garage is not exactly the most cost-effective energy burner.


That’s clear. However, the neighbor will probably play a trick on you there.



Another cost factor...



Then the fire protection regulation regarding distance requirements in Austria must be different...?

I suppose you will come up with a completely different concept later. But even then, you are a welcome guest.

I am curious! And looking forward!
 

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