Opinions on our house concept

  • Erstellt am 2019-04-17 14:36:56

MuHaha202

2019-04-18 09:56:47
  • #1
Thanks for the feedback


On the topic of pipe dreams:
It really was a concept where I was quite aware that it would not be feasible for me as is. And the folder P will probably get quite full.
What surprises me though is the price estimation. As I said, I was aware that it wouldn’t be realizable at that price. However, that it was estimated at 1.5 million was unexpected for me. I really have to re-interview my sources/contacts to see if they deceived themselves in their estimation/conclusion.
Thanks for pointing out the gross error!

On the topic of heating, I have the following considerations:
First, the heating demand:
As far as I could find out, the heat demand for a passive house is 15kW/m² per year; we simply double the value and say 30kW/m².
One question here: is this a realistic value in practice?
If we calculate with 160m² of heated area, that means 4800kW heating output per year.
Cost for purchase and installation of infrared heating: €8000
Cost for purchase and installation of air-water heat pump: €12500
Operating costs of air-water heat pump per year €150-200 (experience from a comparable single-family house in the family)
Regarding operating costs of infrared heating panels:
The keyword here is “electricity costs”
So, for electricity – Tiwag:
Cost per kWh 7.376 cents/kWh
however, the charges from Tinetz are added, so the final price per kWh is about 14 cents/kWh.
That results in running costs for the infrared heating of about €670.
That makes a break-even point at about 8-9 years if I have not miscalculated.
Now, with the photovoltaic system combined with good insulation (low heat loss), decentralized ventilation system (low energy loss during ventilation) and home automation that raises the room temperature according to certain rules when there is electricity surplus from the photovoltaic system thus allowing “overheating” of the standard room temperature, I hope to shift the break-even point a bit further.
Good insulation will be done regardless of heating system. Home automation is also desired; overheating the rooms is feasible with relatively little effort without Z-Z-Wave and KNX


Yes, the green is the stairs (sorry, I forgot to mention that).
The floor plan measures 2m x 2.135m.
I hardly found any useful design guidelines for stairs on the internet. But what I did find was a description with these measurements.
Too small?


There is space for that in the entrance area of the stairwell in the basement. The width between the stairwell and the wall is 1.8m. A wardrobe requires between 40cm - 60cm depth, depending on how the jackets and shoes are stored. That results in a passage of 1.2-1.4m.
That should be sufficient, right?
One more note:
Some shoes and jackets will be stored in the utility room, as the entrance through the garage leads through this room.


Both.
That means there needs to be space for hobbies; about 15m² would suffice roughly. However, since no attic or other storage spaces are planned, the room should be somewhat larger to create some storage space.
Somewhere the Christmas baubles have to be stored if there is no Christmas tree in the house.


Great statement
Hits the nail on the head


I googled that
Looks interesting, but I haven’t dealt with it much – however, I can definitely see similarities.


Do I understand you correctly that you mean the “putting together” with the neighbor here?
There are indeed already talks with neighbors. For example, the garage should be adjacent to the neighbor’s garage.
Also, earthworks and adjustments in the outdoor area will presumably be handled together.
 

Tassimat

2019-04-18 10:08:02
  • #2
Strike photovoltaics from your heating cost calculation. Photovoltaics only provide significant electricity in summer, when you do NOT want to heat. Thus, it remains at your calculated "break-even point" of 8 years, after which infrared has higher total costs. Are the extra costs for the passive house also included in the calculations?

If the house exceeds your budget to such an extent, what do you hope to gain from the whole discussion?
 

kaho674

2019-04-18 10:35:27
  • #3
I keep wondering who can supply electricity for 7 cents / kWh. We pay over 20. Is this some special "Germans are stupid" thing? Or is Tiwag some kind of investment-whatever concept with special prices?

Is this supposed to become a passive house now?
With your 30 KW, you are also rather at the lower end of the energy consumption scale:

Heating energy demand per square meter and consumption year:
A building from the year: 2000 to today requires about 25 to 90 kilowatt hours per square meter and year

What if in the end it's actually 70 or 80?
 

haydee

2019-04-18 10:38:44
  • #4
Budget
I think costs in Austria will be similar
2,000 euros per sqm
+ higher energy standard
+ higher equipment level (e.g. rain shower, many floor-to-ceiling windows, lift-and-slide doors, fireplace etc.)
+ costs for more complex floor plan (protrusions, recesses etc., e.g. a bay window causes almost the same costs as enlarging the house wall and thus the floor area by the depth)
+ earthworks on slope very extensive
+ exterior landscaping on slope considerably more than on flat land
+ ancillary construction costs such as development, construction electricity etc.

The cloakroom is too cramped

The staircase should be a few centimeters larger

The heating concept is uneconomical, uncomfortable
What speaks against an air-to-water heat pump with central controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery?
The more heating energy you need, the less power your photovoltaic system delivers

Who plans with overheating of the rooms?

You cannot compare a passive house or similar with the older houses from the pre-energy-saving phase.
I live in a passive house, the infrared mirror is nice, constant heating never, especially since they can only switch on and off.
The difference between a comfortable temperature and too warm is 0.5 degrees for us. All three of us feel this, and our guests also start to roll up their sleeves at about this point.

Does your development plan even allow such a house?
I assume in Austria there are also regulations such as building envelopes, building height, roof shape etc., or, as YPG means, it must visually fit into the existing development.
In other words, your house does not fit into a settlement with 1.5-story buildings with gable roofs.
 

Tobi_83

2019-04-18 11:05:11
  • #5
Do I understand correctly that you are calculating with an efficiency equal to 1 for the IR panels? You do not convert the electrical energy you put in 1:1 into heat energy. Your calculation does not work that way.
 

Lumpi_LE

2019-04-18 11:14:02
  • #6
First law of thermodynamics... of course 100% is converted into heat, what else should happen with it.
 

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