Gas with solar thermal? Or heat pump with photovoltaics? Consultation

  • Erstellt am 2020-02-05 08:57:29

Nordlys

2020-02-09 12:55:17
  • #1
I just want to say that for a realistic economic assessment, Junkers must be compared with Junkers, Viessmann with Viessmann or similar. Not no-name pushy salesmen with branded products from Buderus or similar. And also not homemade with professional installation. In 2018, we had a Viessmann newly installed in a house with a new exhaust pipe. That was 5,500,- including tax, all inclusive.
 

hegi___

2020-02-09 13:04:23
  • #2
Property is a company that installs equipment from brand manufacturers and does not manufacture them itself.
 

Mycraft

2020-02-09 13:30:08
  • #3
Just like Nordlys, I see it that way too and can agree 100%... For example, we also decided on a gas boiler despite all the tech affinity and a house full of electronics. The reasons are partly stated in my first post here in the thread.

The boiler has been humming along for almost 10 years and does what it’s supposed to at reasonable operating/maintenance costs. We like to have ~24°C not only in the bathroom but in all living areas; only the bedrooms are at ~20°C, and that alone would already kill the efficiency of any heat pump.

Additionally, the investment costs during construction were less than half compared to the cheapest heat pump offered by the general contractor.

Nevertheless, I have a heat pump for cooling in the summer.

In terms of complexity, heat pumps and gas boilers are pretty much the same. It’s not rocket science. Both can be maintained and repaired more or less easily, and for both you need one or the other license to be allowed to work on them.

Only with gas boilers, it looks like—exaggerating—you can just hit them with a hammer and nothing happens... whereas with a heat pump every little thing and every less than 100% optimal setting is sometimes associated with enormous additional costs.

By the way, despite all the doomsday warnings, the gas price has remained largely the same over time. Even back in 2010, all the pessimists predicted a huge price increase and so on...



In contrast, the electricity price has steadily increased and basically knows only one direction:

 

Pinky0301

2020-02-09 14:04:50
  • #4
What is a shower pipe?
 

T_im_Norden

2020-02-09 14:11:22
  • #5
Is installed to warm the water arriving in the shower using the warm wastewater from the shower. Should bring some savings.
 

Mycraft

2020-02-09 14:26:37
  • #6
Delivers comparable savings to a solar thermal system. However, it is passive, and naturally, the break-even point is also similar to that of ST.

 

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