Gas with solar thermal? Or heat pump with photovoltaics? Consultation

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MayrCh

2020-02-11 21:32:02
  • #1

Yes, sorry for the OT, but with all these "I know how electricity/gas prices will develop in the future" I just can't help it. Likewise this "look at me, I have 10 kWp on the roof, I'm so self-sufficient."
 

ttiggerin

2020-02-11 22:34:45
  • #2

I don't understand this right now either.
So the cooling of the LLWP is not used through the underfloor heating if I understood correctly, since it doesn't really help much, but also not through the controlled residential ventilation.

This implementation would already mean a very high acquisition cost, since you are more or less purchasing two systems instead of one.
 

Mycraft

2020-02-12 10:07:16
  • #3

Yes, but even here the function of the controlled residential ventilation hardly matters. Because what a controlled residential ventilation achieves in this area is negligible. The controlled residential ventilation is not suitable for cooling or heating, but very good for air exchange. Simple as that.

During the day in summer, the controlled residential ventilation usually runs at minimum ventilation, which is about 70 m³/h in our case, whereas the air-to-air heat pump circulates 700 m³/h at the lowest setting. So ten times the amount.

About one cubic meter of warm air enters the house per minute, but about 10 cubic meters are circulated and tempered.

The controlled residential ventilation is really the least problem in summer.


No, we have an open concept and practically the entire ground floor is open designed and all doors upstairs are always open.


Yes, because both bring little since they are not designed for that purpose and only represent a side effect.

The cooling must take place in the upper areas of the rooms because heat accumulates here, it brings little to no use to cool the floor (which is why cooling ceilings are sensible and efficient) and the controlled residential ventilation is simply too weak even at the highest setting to circulate the necessary air volumes.


The heating concept must be created individually for each house. What works for you does not necessarily have to work the same for your neighbor. For every task there is the appropriate solution.

However, gas boilers (to return to the initial question) are still the number one heating source in single-family homes and will most likely remain so for some time. Because the technology is mature and with comparable operating costs of a heat pump you can heat the house but need only about half the investment capital. Here one could go further and include the interest rates.

It is also always interesting to read that everyone knows about the function, costs, and problems of an air conditioning system and immediately rejects it with the phrase: "No thanks, way too expensive and unreliable." But when it comes to a heat pump for heating, people do consider it or install one without thinking.

Over all these years here in the forum and out there, I still had to notice that active cooling for retrofitting gains more and more popularity, because the replacement measures (shading etc.) are not sufficient and the tight and well-insulated houses simply become too warm in summer.
 

T_im_Norden

2020-02-12 12:27:34
  • #4
I still don't understand how you bring the cooling into the house with this concept.

Normally, an air-to-air heat pump has a system for distributing the warm or, in your case, the cool air.
 

Mycraft

2020-02-12 12:50:17
  • #5
Just like you do it, with evaporators inside the house and an outdoor unit. Completely separate from heating and ventilation. Because a combination unit only becomes unnecessarily expensive and unnecessarily large.

But this way, each device has its task. They "coordinate" with each other and so you always get a consistent and desired temperature and air quality summer and winter at more or less favorable operating and investment costs.
 

guckuck2

2020-02-12 13:02:21
  • #6
So we note that mycraft has installed an ordinary split air conditioner to cool the house.

In the hope of having cleared up the uncertainties
 

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