Did you have RC2 windows installed?

  • Erstellt am 2016-07-07 11:05:51

anat79

2018-07-17 21:37:23
  • #1
We have just ordered windows and have chosen RC2N everywhere that can be easily reached from the outside. A side patio door measuring 1010x2250mm is in a fairly dark, secluded corner, so we additionally chose burglar-resistant glazing P4A (I believe that corresponds to RC2). The extra cost for this glazing was just under 200€.
 

Dark_Templar

2018-07-25 22:54:32
  • #2
For me, everything that is reachable without a ladder is RC3.
 

Zaba12

2018-07-26 07:48:36
  • #3
Just my personal opinion:

You can also buy security more cheaply. We live 30 km from the nearest big city. Break-ins are rare here.
RC2N with an Arlo Pro camera system at critical points like the front door, terrace doors, basement combined with a motion sensor & light control in the basement is enough for me.

What use is it to me if burglars take 30 seconds longer to pry open the windows, nothing!

At my in-laws' house, burglars broke in through the basement shafts while they were sleeping upstairs. The tools were a bolt cutter for the grilles and a crowbar for the window in the basement shaft. The burglars walked right out the front door after rummaging through the ground floor.

Anyone who thinks that windows are smashed at night these days will be in for a rude awakening.
 

EinMarc

2018-07-27 11:50:34
  • #4
That's quite simple... You do what brings success. Assuming that with RC2N you will be safe forever is just naive. Once most houses are equipped with RC2N, the burglars will just take a glass hole cutter instead of a crowbar and almost silently drill holes in the glass. No need to smash it. When everyone has RC2, then they'll move on to torches and circular cutters. And so on. You can only create as much distance as possible between your own and the usual equipment to become as unattractive as possible to the average burglar. Security was, is, and will always be an arms race; whoever stays ahead, wins.

And what is the video system supposed to achieve then? You'll have a nice image of the perpetrator, and then? For a manhunt, such images are completely useless, and the lost sense of security doesn't come back either.

Just as a side note: Here (25km from the nearest big city) in recent months several windows were simply smashed, and then the (lockable!) bolt was opened from inside using a pipe extension. With RC2 this wouldn't have been that easy because of the laminated glass. The criminal investigation department was "appalled that no one heard the glass breaking"... but that doesn't surprise me nowadays at all. It is heard for sure, but nothing is done.
 

Zaba12

2018-07-27 13:10:59
  • #5


This is not about video or photo, but you immediately receive a push notification + the live image displayed directly on your smartphone through activation of the camera’s motion sensors. With a smartwatch on your wrist, this kind of surveillance is unbeatable and relatively inexpensive.

Thus, you have enough time to call the police and/or lock yourself in. Should it happen at night or during the day when you are not at home, an alarm is even triggered via the bridge.

Have you ever looked into the system?

Nobody needs a plain camera system like the one you’re talking about, it’s a waste of money.

As mentioned before, it’s the combination that matters. RC2 windows alone are not the ultimate solution either if you’re on vacation for 2 weeks.
 

EinMarc

2018-07-27 16:39:56
  • #6
Oh, as motion detection. Well, I've already gone through that too, but in outdoor areas it's really clever work to get it right with few false alarms. In my experience, it simply doesn't work without it; there's always something. I took it down outdoors again.

And "immediate" also depends on the provider or the online status. I sometimes experience considerable delays, depending on where I am. Although I only use it as a better motion detector for the workshop so I know if I accidentally lock in the polisher (neighbor's tomcat) They are not always easy to detect with normal IR motion sensors thanks to their fur insulation.

If you want technological burglary protection, I would actually rather install conventional glass break and frame sensors. You can then confidently connect them directly to the police without risking false alarms and the associated costs. And thanks to more modern designs, you can't even see them anymore nowadays. But that's more for new builds; when retrofitting, you have to put in more effort to make them invisible.
 
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