Cost calculation - We are curious about your feedback

  • Erstellt am 2018-01-12 00:21:08

Peter L

2018-01-12 15:35:06
  • #1

Yes, forgotten and noted.


Difficult topic and I would rather not discuss it here, so I don’t drift off. Therefore, only briefly, otherwise gladly in another topic or private. I think you can’t say what’s right or wrong, it depends on personal requirements. To put it harshly, monolithic is total nonsense, because what is the stone supposed to do now? Carry or insulate? In the past, there were also washing machines with integrated dryers until it was realized that they are no good. That’s why we use sand-lime brick as the stone (interior walls are already load-bearing with 11.5 cm) and ETICS which do what they can, insulate. As I said, to put it harshly. A monolithic construction has its advantages and ETICS have their disadvantages. No question. But sound insulation is also important to us and nothing comes close to sand-lime brick. For me, Ytong with 35/36 dB with 11.5 cm is simply out. Normal sand-lime brick achieves 46 dB here and no, I don’t want to start a discussion in THIS thread about why sound insulation should be so good.


Yes, we will only learn the exact costs later and therefore we definitely want to have a sufficient buffer.

As said, KfW40+ is not a must, but we want to see if it’s worth it, since we want sand-lime brick + ETICS, thermally insulated ground slab, etc. With this rough setup, we want to shed more light into the dark. There are also still talks with energy consultants, etc., but if you go in there without good prior information, you won’t be much wiser in the end.
For this reason, thank you very much for the suggestions, remarks, etc. Everything has been diligently noted and influences our path.
 

Bieber0815

2018-01-15 08:20:54
  • #2
That's right. And whoever can, builds double-shell.
 

Peter L

2018-01-15 11:14:01
  • #3

Yes, we also had a conversation with an energy consultant recently and he said that the type of insulation will be decided later and that a double-layered variant would also be possible. From your statement, however, I gather that this method is more expensive, and looking at the construction, I can understand that. Although I save some insulation material, I have to build the wall twice, and I can't imagine that the costs here would be the same or lower. Or am I mistaken? Alternatively, it would be possible to fill the cavity with loose granulate, but is that done in new builds?

What currently also puzzles us greatly is that many claim we should budget at least 50k more, as some items seem underestimated. On the other hand, it is also said that one should calculate 2,000€ to 2,500€ per sqm. For 200 sqm, that would be 400k-500k. The energy consultant has now quoted exactly our estimated costs for the trades he knows, and otherwise the items match. Of course, you need a buffer, but 50-100k?
 

Zaba12

2018-01-15 11:32:28
  • #4
I will try to justify it differently

Why should your 200sqm KfW 40+ house cost only €40k more (with much better equipment) than my small KfW 55 house with 200sqm (of which 66sqm is usable basement)?

Besides, you have not included the outdoor facilities in your calculation. I know, these do not belong in the pure construction costs. But you should reckon with €20-30k. That is an amount that cannot easily be paid from the regular salary. At least not for me.
 

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