Cost calculation - We are curious about your feedback

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ypg

2018-01-12 08:28:28
  • #1
There are quite a few items missing: Construction water and electricity at 500 each: are these supposed to be the connections or the consumption? An architect-designed house also takes a bit longer to build, so add generous rent and connections accordingly. Then things like containers, construction toilet, scaffolding, and crane are missing. A construction road will not be a contingency item... I can imagine that insurance plays a bigger role in an architect-designed house than the mentioned 300. What about the mentioned expert? Then the energy saving ordinance expert for your 40+? Controlled residential ventilation: ours already cost more than 10,000 several years ago... Staircase: concrete staircase at 5,000?... Maybe. What about the parapet grille, railing, and covering? Concrete cistern: what about the connection? Roofer? And it goes on like this. I certainly don’t have an expert’s view on what’s missing... I consider such all-around cost calculations, which can be extrapolated from a flat rate per square meter found on the web to the entire area for a house, very dangerous and not accurate. I also don’t want to believe these tile costs. By the way, this calculation is the architect’s responsibility. He will also tell you his fee according to HOAI. Of course, you first want to have your own overview, but it can definitely be said: for an energy saving ordinance house (Kfw70) calculate about 2000€/QM... today! A Kfw40+ is and will not be cheaper in 2019! Then add the incidental construction costs, outdoor facilities, etc...
 

Zaba12

2018-01-12 08:36:33
  • #2
I also noticed the photovoltaic system. If you have this configuration from a solar installer, then replace it quickly. The ratio between storage and modules should be 1:1. So that you actually benefit from it. At least from the end of April to the end of September

Regarding the development costs: The municipality may ask you to pay construction costs 0-2 years after completion, these are derived from a price per m² of living space (divided into €12.30 sewage and €0.50 electricity - at least in our case).
 

arnonyme

2018-01-12 08:40:17
  • #3
Forget the KfW 40+ nonsense. Nobody needs that. KfW 55 is more than enough and also much easier to achieve. I think you would be more likely to meet the budget with that.
 

readytorumble

2018-01-12 08:46:41
  • #4
We also covered a concrete staircase with natural stone. With 5000, we didn’t make it including the railing.

Construction road? We didn’t have one
Crane? We didn’t need one
Power + water we managed with significantly less than 1000, however, we privately borrowed a construction power box and connected it next door in the car workshop. So we didn’t need a connection from the supplier.

What about rainwater? We built an infiltration system in [EL], but it also cost 2500 euros excluding the cistern.

Outdoor facilities are completely missing. Here one quickly makes a mistake. House entrance platform (2 steps) for us 2000€.
Curbstones (gravel strip), terraces, paved stones courtyard, lawn => Depending on size, 15,000 to 25,000 € quickly go here.
 

Peter L

2018-01-12 10:26:54
  • #5
Wow, I didn’t expect so many comments in such a short time. Thanks already for that. I will try to address the points.

Yes, I also found the painter a bit low, but I had read it several times that way and left it at that for now. For the cistern, I have a quote including all connections for under €2500. Sure, mounting will add costs, but would it cost about the same again?
Regarding the floors, I think I calculated quite generously. When I look at parquet prices, many are up to €40/m². We have now calculated €70 + €5 miscellaneous materials per m². So I cannot quite understand that it should be too low.

Who said we want to build monolithically? We are clearly planning with sand-lime brick plus external insulation (ETICS). Timber frame construction has no direct advantage here, right? Only ETICS will be applied here.
But I also think that a KfW40+ house is significantly more expensive if you think monolithically. We want KS + ETICS and the slab is already a very well insulated slab. Naively, I then only think of the windows and the roof insulation.

Could you maybe name the positions and justify them if necessary?

The exterior landscaping is intentionally not included. Just like the kitchen, etc. But it’s on the radar and thanks a lot for the hint. You never know.
The building plot is in a new development area, where the civil engineering work is currently underway. Can you not assume a flat building plot then? Friends built nearby and the plots were similar and flat in my eyes. So no slope or anything, or do you always have to consider this generally?

No, but soon. Thanks for the hint.

I made a typo here! I meant €2600/kWp and we are calculating with 8kWp. That would be €20,800. But we chose the costs from Sonnenbatterie and therefore budgeted €25k. You need the battery for KfW40+, but in any case, in our opinion, it makes sense. For example, with 8kWp from SonnenCommunity you get 5,500kWh free annually if you provide 3% of your battery for grid balancing. Also, your self-sufficiency increases (e.g. at night). You are also the first who does not recommend a battery. You can do without the battery if the PV system does not cover the demand at all.

Consumption, and according to several blogs, that should be fine. Some consumed more water than electricity or vice versa, but generally both were under €1k.

Yes, I was thinking about including double burdens and the commitment interest. I wasn’t sure whether to include it (like the garden), but I will probably add it.

We forgot container and construction toilet. Thanks! The scaffolding is included in the façade. For the crane, I have to check if and for what we need it.

It is planned in the budget of €31k. There is also a KfW subsidy of up to €4k. So, €35k would be available.

We also don’t trust these costs blindly, but as reference points they are very good. If you want to get information about costs, these sqm prices are often referred to in forums.

Interesting... just read that this is necessary in case of secondary development measures. Now the question is whether this is an exception or the rule.

How expensive was it for you? We are planning to use a concrete railing.

Yes, we are estimating about €20k for the garden, but we don’t have exact data yet. Your €15-25k fit well there. But from your other costs/comments I see we are not that far off after all.
 

tomtom79

2018-01-12 10:35:26
  • #6
Am I overlooking the costs for the Ks stones and the filigree ceiling?
 

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