Which of you has disability insurance?

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Grym

2016-02-23 08:27:46
  • #1


Completely understood. Firstly, in a desk job, EU and BU almost always coincide. Secondly, a blind person is EU. Thirdly, with severe visual impairment one can still work at a desk job, I know a case. Fourthly, yes if I were BU but not EU, I wouldn't be dependent on that money anyway. Fifthly, I could just do something else then, I'm not EU.
 

Grym

2016-02-23 08:34:25
  • #2
Apparently I have to clarify this, since it is so new to some that many civilization diseases are closely related to diet and exercise. I personally know a case of someone who went from a herniated disc sufferer to a recreational bodybuilder with ZERO complaints since the change, and also a desk worker. Of course, it is better to prevent than to change your life only after a herniated disc.
 

Sebastian79

2016-02-23 08:37:16
  • #3
You don't have to enlighten anyone because no one asked you to. You think you've swallowed wisdom with a spoon, but unfortunately, it seems to keep leaking out...

Ever heard of accidents that lead to a [BU]? And all that you know - isolated cases... but of course, it's immediately generalized.

I rather suspect that you don't know a single one...
 

Umbau-Susi

2016-02-23 08:38:16
  • #4


That is definitely not true. A blind person is not automatically EU, even if he may be BU for his previous job. He is retrained after a so-called elementary rehabilitation if he is younger than 55 and does not have any other severe health disorders.
 

Vanben

2016-02-23 09:12:25
  • #5


No, it was about securing against this risk. Insurance is about cushioning the consequences of an event of damage, not avoiding the event itself. The latter would certainly be the nicer option, but that would actually only be feasible if you never went to work in the first place (analogous to your "no more cycling").



But the average full-time salary is again something different from the average gross wage. There are many people who unfortunately can only work part-time (e.g., single parents) and they too can become ill and occupationally disabled.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned, it misses the reality of most people by such a wide margin that it’s hardly worth discussing further. Retiring early at 40, presumably still with an average full-time salary... and the blind person who, having just barely coped with the stroke of fate, moves away from their familiar environment (where they are gradually managing even without eyesight), because he (the partner who probably earned the money likely has no say) supposedly no longer has anything to the garden he may have worked hard for decades on... no words.



Again: occupational disability means 50%, partial disability is always less. So if you can only sit in front of the monitor for 3 hours at a time because of a bad back, you are occupationally disabled, but not yet partially disabled. But you often hear the argument "If I could still do my job…". Repeating it constantly doesn’t make it more valid. A blind person is not necessarily partially disabled, no idea where you got that from, and whether you depend on the money really doesn’t interest anyone. Just put yourself for 20 hours a week in a call center, do security work, or tinker away in a workshop for people with disabilities. No one says a life with occupational disability/partial disability becomes impossible—it is just significantly more comfortable if, in addition to the certainly already existing limitations, you don’t also have to take a major financial hit or drag your family down with you.

With such a fatalistic attitude, you simply don’t need any insurance—congratulations on that. I hope you or your relatives will never regret that.
 

Grym

2016-02-23 20:18:30
  • #6
A broken back or not is basically something you have 100 percent in your own hands. Whoever is blind is EU. That’s what it says on the internet, that’s what it says in the Wiki. Even a severe visual impairment without blindness is supposed to be EU.

Why I can’t sit in the office with a broken back, but can sit in a call center or even be physically fit enough for object protection, is not clear to me either.

People in workshops for disabled persons basically all have a claim to an EU pension. Many do not receive it because they have not been in the GRV for 5 years, since most people in workshops for disabled persons have had this disability from birth.

Likewise, for example, incurable depression leads to full disability. The same should apply to other conditions in the area of mental health. There, BU = EU.

I can’t think of any illness or type of accident that would make an office job impossible but where one could basically easily work in other recognized jobs. Mental illnesses, cancer, heart/circulation, herniated discs are all recognized illnesses for EU.

By the way, tasks as a doorman include:
- "clerical work at a pace usually required in actual working conditions"

Regarding the activity as a museum guard:
“Activities as a museum guard regularly require the ability to climb ladders and work on ladders for short periods of time”

Object protection should be pretty clear that you should master self-defense there and be physically fit.

Likewise, in object protection or as a doorman you must be able to do shift work. So it’s not that simple with the reference.
 

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