Variable loan possible / sensible?

  • Erstellt am 2020-12-24 12:19:15

Olli-Ka

2020-12-27 05:16:12
  • #1
You don’t really want to do that to your child... Time pressure is the craziest thing ever... Where are there new-build condos for 250k? They are currently building condos here in an extremely dense style of construction, and a 2-room condo costs from 300k € (without terrace, NRW). And you’re already whining about space needs. You want a house with 165 m², but a condo with xx m² is okay? I don’t get it. Why not option 2? You have a great background (according to your statement in the first thread) with a construction company, civil engineer, free materials and lots of support from the family, etc. Then build smaller, 100 m² is enough for 2 kids (we had that back then too, okay 1 child but an extra guest room was included). A guest room is actually already a luxury, they can also sleep on the couch, in a tiny condo you wouldn’t even have that. Buy that or a plot of land and prepare it in peace (see background), get informed (here and elsewhere). That way the time pressure is gone, the first 2-3 years the child doesn’t care how much space you have. And from the (according to the first thread, plenty flowing additional income) 13th salaries, income from self-employment, etc. pay off as much as possible with special repayments, Then it will work with the little house – emphasis on little house ;) Regards Olli
 

Hausbautraum20

2020-12-27 10:24:08
  • #2


Self-employment is really hard to calculate, but it can be well used for special repayments. Otherwise, even without parental leave, it was only 4.7k net.

And compared to us, you simply have 1000€ more every month even with a child (and additionally your plot probably didn't cost 250k). It's clear that despite the house, 1000€ can flow into restaurants, clothing, vacations... every month, which simply isn't possible for us ;-)
 

moHouse

2020-12-27 10:54:01
  • #3


Yes, it's just a bit different for everyone. I just wanted to make sure the OP isn't completely discouraged from the dream of building a house :)

Personally, I would also go with option 2 (?). So buy a plot of land and finance it flexibly.

Besides the fact that prices will probably rise, there's also the simple fact that in 2-3 years there might be nothing left on the market. Currently, the Berlin metropolitan area is still a promised land. The municipalities are still opening new development areas and it's not so hard to get a plot of land. But that could look different in 3 years. Here in the Düsseldorf area (about 50 km radius) there's practically nothing! If a municipality opens a new development area, there are 100 applicants per plot. No joke. Some municipalities are already switching to ground leases, where after 20 years you have paid the current land value through the lease. Crazy! And we're not the only ones here. In the forum, you also read about some who have searched for years.

The OP certainly doesn't want to search for a plot for another 4 years in 3 years' time.
 

Ysop***

2020-12-27 11:12:10
  • #4
What you still need to consider: With your usual standard, that certainly does not stop before the house construction. I can't imagine that cheap laminate instead of marble is your thing. That means you would have to calculate with above-average construction costs. I don't know the approximate costs from Berlin, but 300k seems too low to me for a family.
 

ypg

2020-12-27 11:18:49
  • #5
That was option 3. That was also the subject of the initial question. I don't understand the option with the ETW. Of course it would be an option, but not one when you analyze it: then it clearly falls out because no problem is solved. The most sensible is to favor the single-family house of a reasonable size.
 

Janabalenciaga

2020-12-27 12:07:37
  • #6
Oh, once again I have sparked a big discussion here :) Although, there is nothing to discuss about where my child goes to daycare or about the standards/expectations we have lived by so far – that’s not part of the matter and everyone handles it differently. In BB there is no offer of multilingual daycares, therefore Berlin. For this reason, a condo in Berlin would not be wrong either. As I said, in the end it is important to live happily – if you only see yourself happy in a house, then that is definitely the right direction. I have never dreamed of having a house. Although we both grew up in houses, it was never decisive for me. What is decisive for me, however, is proximity to the city (50 km away from Berlin is far too much, max. 25) and enough living space. If we had found a good condo in Berlin with 100-120m2, I would be overjoyed. Anyway, I am not the kind of person who lives just for the house, as can clearly be seen. The problem is just that most condos in Berlin, which cost significantly less than a house, are also significantly smaller / have a bad layout / are very old, etc. The two condos I mentioned are real properties with a purchase price of 250K without incidental purchase costs, but at the Berlin city border and just over 80m2. However, I find that better than continuing to rent. But yes, also less good than a small house in a good location. On the other hand, I don’t have to drastically reduce my standards in a condo, yes we save, yes we pay a mortgage, but according to my calculation we would still have room to “breathe” and could sleep much more peacefully, without thoughts like “how will I pay rent,” “how will I pay for the land,” “will we get loans for construction later,” etc. The biggest stomach ache now is caused by the double burden of rent and land loan. If you build a house right away, this double burden is smaller and much shorter.

So, in the end we will decide on something. I don’t think our starting/financial situation is hopeless.

Regarding self-employment: as I said, I no longer include my NT, the trips of course caused some costs but mostly only travel costs – food and hotels were reimbursed. And the trips were not necessarily needed; they were more my wish. But, as I said, for now it’s over.

My husband has several small ongoing projects over the years and new requests keep coming in, it just depends on how much time he has available to complete them. That’s why I only calculate the three small projects that he does quarterly (1 day effort) and that bring him a total of 6000€ extra per year. It’s not much but better than nothing. There is also a larger project running from which he collects 20-25K, but I don’t include that because it is still unclear when exactly it will be realized. And the spontaneous things he gets during the year are not included either. So, I think if from now on we handle expenses a bit more calculated, something would already be possible.

Regarding the question of joint/separate budget: savings are done together. From my cost breakdown, it is also clear that my husband financially covers most of the bigger things, meaning I have always had more room/opportunities to save. That’s how I’m trying to stick to it now – during the lockdown it’s of course not difficult; later it will be harder, but these are also good months to change habits :) I don’t see a big difference right now whether everyone has their own account or all income is combined, IF we both stick to the saving program :) And if that is not the case, if one of us continues to have an expense surplus, then the house probably wasn’t the right goal after all, and it doesn’t help to make yourself unhappy by saving. (If you don’t follow through with something, then the goal wasn’t big enough).

Let’s see what conditions we get for the variable loan and how the monthly rate fits into our budget. Because regardless of how frugal or not frugal you are, there should definitely be a buffer left for living after deducting all fixed costs, groceries, gas, etc.
 

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