Toilet from €27.90 to €500 - objective information on the price difference?

Whoever finds something in the bathroom section at Ikea can also have it assembled by them. Basic flat rate € 99,- + 20% of the value of the furniture to be assembled + € 139,- connection flat rate (sanitary and electrical connections) These are their prices. Karsten

After consulting with the architect, we are doing it like this now:

The plumber will do the complete rough installation + bathtub + floor drains.

We will procure and install the washbasin + fittings, shower fittings, WC + flush plate, bathroom furniture ourselves.
The shower walls will come from the glazier, so we don't need to buy those at an overpriced price either.

Our next step now is to choose the items precisely so that the installer can lay the pipes accurately.

In this context:

I recently read something here in the forum somewhere about rimless WCs that splash out when flushing. Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore?!

I recently read something here in the forum about rimless toilets that splash water when flushing. Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore?!

Check out the reviews on Amazon – the model from Laufen seems particularly unsuitable. The two Keramag models are better, but apparently not completely splash-free either. I haven't found any negative comments in this regard about the TOTO model, which is relatively expensive at around €450.

Personally, I will first try a no-name rimless toilet for €89 from the hardware store (also available on eBay) – in case anything goes wrong, it's not much money lost, and I think a hardware store will take it back as a gesture of goodwill anyway. If that doesn't work, there's always the TOTO.

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I recently read somewhere here in the forum about rimless toilets that splash when flushing. Unfortunately, I can no longer find it?!

Yes, for example the Keramag Renova Plan, which we have, but it has apparently been revised in the meantime. However, the few splashes can definitely be lived with - we are not really annoyed about it now.

Best regards in brief

our rimless toilet of quality doesn't splash out either. at least I've never been splattered on

the price differences are really huge in some cases and are of course just the rip-off markups by the companies hoping that you can't solve it any other way. it's like with cars and the navigation system for 3000€, although any Tomtom for 150€ could do it better. still, in 99% of all company cars, the 3000€ navigation system is installed... it's called eat or die

After having basically worked continuously on the shopping list over the past few days, we are now basically finished with selecting everything.

If I now consult the price list from the bathroom fitter for our desired items and deduct the obligatory 20% from the installer, a difference of €6,700 comes out! If I also deduct the labor costs from that, a surplus amount of €3,700 remains. So the material would cost me €3,700 more if I obtain it through the sanitary installer. I referenced all the prices from Reuter. If I start comparing and splitting the orders there, I can probably save a few hundred euros.

This includes:

Parents' bathroom:

- Shower system
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Double washbasin (with 2 faucets, mirrored cabinet, and under-sink cabinet)
(the bathtub will be done by the installer anyway)

Guest toilet:

- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Washbasin (with faucet)

Children's bathroom:

- Shower system
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Washbasin (with faucet)

Additionally, various small parts such as drain valves, siphons, etc.

Since we have different ideas about the shower system (my wife absolutely wants a height-adjustable hand shower for washing hair), no concealed installation kit will be used there anyway.

For cost reasons and due to performance limits, we will probably do without wall-mounted faucets at the washbasin. Otherwise, the installer would have to install the concealed body, which we would probably have to source from him.

So, cold and warm water will likely come simply out of the wall everywhere. From there, we will take over. For the toilet, the flush tank including odor extraction will be installed by the installer, and the supply and drain as well as the two threaded rods will come out of the wall.

Even though nothing has been signed or purchased yet, I am already glad to do it this way. I really believe that good work should be well paid, but this simply is no longer in any reasonable relation.

Of course, this only works so easily for us because we are working with an architect and individual contracting, but maybe this also shows some of the advantages of this way of building to one or another person.

Now two questions:

- Do I absolutely need a pre-wall casing for the installation of the washbasin on a non-load-bearing 11.5 cm MW wall?

- How is a washbasin (double washbasin or regular washbasin) mounted on a pre-wall casing? Do you also need one or two floor brackets? Like with the toilet?